Hi Rob,
 
> >> Yup, when you came back to the list after your hols you seemed to have calmed
> >> down, but now you're back to the old arrogant, egotistical gobshite.
> >> :)

> > ROTFLMAO :)

> ...but how many agree?

Nah. Sealeys alright in my book. He's like a curmudgeonly, grizzled
old bear who just needs his tummy tickled a bit - afb wouldn't be the
same without him  ;)

If you want to talk about *real* tossers, then I'm sure you'll all be
interested to hear I've just received an email from our `idiot of the
month'. It only says one word...   "really". This would no doubt be in
response to the message I sent him. I was my usual diplomatic self,
pointing out how stupid it was posting abuse on a site of almost 1000
people. I said I didn't fancy being in his shoes when the replies
started coming in. His one word response would suggest he didn't get
too much grief which, in a way, is pretty encouraging. It suggests
we're a lot more level headed than this sad git. Besides, I believe
his mail's already been handed on to the appropriate people to deal
with.

So that's nice  :)

Cheers,

Eddie
 

Hi Rob,

> There's a lot of similarities aren't there!  I think my Amiga is what got me
> into the job I'm in now (in a very indirect way, of course...)

Oh definitely. If I hadn't spent all my time playing games on my Amiga
and done some proper studying instead, I wouldn't be stuck in the
godforsaken job I'm in at present.

That's *not* what you meant, was it ?  ;)

Cheers,

Eddie

 > IF IT HAS A GUI LIKE SAS/C DOES, THEN GREAT! IN FACT THAT'S WHAT
> I WAS REFERRING TO!

> Sheesh, does NOBODY read posts properly round here?

See ? Just tickle his tummy...

Eddie  ;)

If you're posting from the website this isn't an easy question to answer,
however, if you are posting from an email client, it should be done
automatically.

...but often isn't - see my address.  I haven't found a way to do it meyself.

RobM

>> There's a lot of similarities aren't there!  I think my Amiga is what got me
>> into the job I'm in now (in a very indirect way, of course...)

> Oh definitely. If I hadn't spent all my time playing games on my Amiga
> and done some proper studying instead, I wouldn't be stuck in the
> godforsaken job I'm in at present.

Oh, Eddie...!

> That's *not* what you meant, was it ?  ;)

That's twice you've done that to me today!!

RobM

>> ...but how many agree?

> Nah. Sealeys alright in my book. He's like a curmudgeonly, grizzled
> old bear who just needs his tummy tickled a bit - afb wouldn't be the
> same without him  ;)

You're right - it wouldn't....  :)

> If you want to talk about *real* tossers, then I'm sure you'll all be
> interested to hear I've just received an email from our `idiot of the
> month'. It only says one word...   "really". This would no doubt be in

Me too!  He must have just checked his mail for the first time since!

> we're a lot more level headed than this sad git. Besides, I believe
> his mail's already been handed on to the appropriate people to deal
> with.

> So that's nice  :)

It's always nice what a tit gets what's coming...

RobM

Hi all,

So who wants to follow up Bauglir's page on the afb in the magazine this
issue? If you want to do it, get your typing gloves on, we'll need it by
tomorrow...

All the best,
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Excuse for the day: typo in cdoe

Hi Mash,

> I'm surprised no-one has started yelling that AF should be shut down yet
> because of pornographic images. I mean the 2 people obviously don't know
> they have had a picture taken of them, maybe they'll sue? Turn to page
> 80......

It's filth I tell you, pure and utter filth. I don't know how they get
away with it. And what if young children should see it ? I'm ashamed
to be called a subscriber. I tell you what, Mary Whitehouse must be
turning in her grave.

Eh ? She's not dead ?!

I'll get me gun    ;)

Cheers,

Eddie

 
Hi Andy,

I posted this message yesterday, but I think the site had hit its
limit of 200, so I'm sending it again. Apologies if you've already
seen it.

>    Or, it may just be a complete lie (or myth):  I've heard many people that
>    say that you can't record from one VCR to another because they
>    have copy protection.

>  Well, I have proof otherwise :)

As do I  ;)

I've also got an ex rental copy of Aliens from when it first came
out on video. One of the first tapes I'd come across that claimed to
use Macrovision. I've tried a number of times to get a copy off of it
(dunno why - it's mine, so I've already got a copy) but all you get is
snow, lines and the odd distorted picture. In fact it's almost exactly
like trying to copy an NTSC tape playing on a multi system video
recorder onto a standard PAL video recorder. Again, I've got both, and
even though the multi system video will put an NTSC picture onto a PAL
TV screen, it won't put it onto a PAL video tape. It doesn't matter to
me, as I can play the NTSC tape regardless but, obviously, I can't
lend it to any friends who've only got a standard video machine. And I
can't make them a PAL copy - so the buggers all end up round my place,
eating my food and drinking my beer !

Gotta get that multi regional DVD player. Maybe that'll work better :)

Cheers,

Eddie

Hi Rob,

> Folks
> See below - a personal reply from the idiot of the month...
> RobM
 
> sorry mate calm down
  
Yup, I got a brief message as well (see seperate mail)

Is he attempting some damage limitation exercise, perhaps ?

Then again, maybe he *does* have a lot of mails to respond to, so he
hasn't got much time to type a lot  :)

Cheers,

Eddie

Hi Paul,

On 04-Aug-99 01:44:46 BST, Paul Cundle wrote:

> I have a 'couple' of suggestions for the excellent AFCDfind which I
> think would be extremely useful.
>
> ii) Search range. I might remember seeing a program about 7 months
> ago, so I would want to search the CDs from 6 to 8 months ago.
>
> iii) Search a specific CD. eg. I know that "super-ploppy" was on
> AFCD23 but I can't remember where. Could be part of option (ii) [ie
> just set it TO and FROM the same number).
>
> iv) Search from CD number xx (forwards or backwards). Eg I search from
> CD 43 to 20, only to find none of the matches are right. If I want to
> search from 20 to 6 (the remaining ones) then I have to go through 43
> to 20 again first.
>
> Obviously (ii), (iii) and (iv) can be done by excluding all but the
> relevant CDs, but this takes ages now that there are so many. And then
> you have to include them all again when you've finished.

You've probably forgotten about this mail already, but I thought I'd
just let you know that I've finally got around to providing a solution
for the above cases.  The main window now has a multiselect listview
where you can choose exactly which CDs should be searched - this is
totally independent from the existing CD filter settings.

Anyway, you'll be able to see it on the next issue (AFCD47)...

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> Hi Rob,
>  
> > > > Yup, when you came back to the list after your hols you 
> > > > seemed to have calmed down, but now you're back to the
> > > > old arrogant, egotistical gobshite.
> > > > :)
> 
> > > ROTFLMAO :)
> 
> > ...but how many agree?
> 
> Nah. Sealeys alright in my book. He's like a curmudgeonly, grizzled
> old bear who just needs his tummy tickled a bit - afb wouldn't be the
> same without him  ;)

Actually I'm more like an angry little kitten who is fed up of the
teasing with kitty treats and catnip-soaked toys, and just wants
some tummy-tickling style fuss :)

Meow? Mew! Mreow! Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..

> So that's nice  :)

Mmm.. you're telling me :)

Neko

> > Oh definitely. If I hadn't spent all my time playing games on my Amiga
> > and done some proper studying instead, I wouldn't be stuck in the
> > godforsaken job I'm in at present.

> Oh, Eddie...!

> > That's *not* what you meant, was it ?  ;)

> That's twice you've done that to me today!!

Heh, heh. Sorry Rob. Watch out for the third time.

It'll be a cracker  ;)

Cheers,

Eddie

biffordyoungest said, 

> Hi, while using AmIRC and an Arexx program MCG_ Buttons (?) (something
> like that) when I type ?RX MCG_Buttons (or whatever) it says MUIRexx
> not installed properly.  

> MUIRexx.mcc is in the MUI:Libs/Mui draw where it should be so can
> anyone help?

I don't have a MUIRexx.mcc but the three files needed for MUIRexx to
function correctly are

MUI:Libs/muirexx.library
MUI:Libs/MUI/Icon.mcc
SYS:Rexxc/MUIRexx

> Is there somewhere I can download a new copy with Installer program?

I'm not sure if it contains an Installer, but this archive has all you
need: ftp://de.aminet.net/pub/aminet/dev/mui/MUIRexx_3_0a.lha


Neil
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biffordyoungest said, 

>  What is my webpage address anyway?  The e-mail from Neil didnt tell me
> and the info pack hasnt arrived yet.

You weren't sent one, it's basically a letter containing the same as the
email you got. All the other info you need is in the support section of
the web site.

To answer your question, it's http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net.com

To answer your next question (how do I upload?), see the web site :)


Neil
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Conclusion: the place where you got tired of thinking.

> >  What is my webpage address anyway?  The e-mail from Neil 
> >  didnt tell me and the info pack hasnt arrived yet.
> 
> You weren't sent one, it's basically a letter containing the 
> same as the email you got. All the other info you need is in
> the support section of the web site.
> 
> To answer your question, it's http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net.com
> 
> To answer your next question (how do I upload?), see the web site :)

Aw, that's ever-so-cruel. It took me 20 minutes to find the page 
on u-net to find out how to upload webpages, and it was embedded
in some obscure links on some naff text pages.

I'm dubious as to whether I should tell him here if he asks, though..
d'ya think it'd be a security risk?

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Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> > MUIRexx.mcc is in the MUI:Libs/Mui draw where it should be so can
> > anyone help?
> > 
> > Is there somewhere I can download a new copy with Installer program?
> 
> Try Aminet you lazy idiot.
> 
> It was you who did this last time, wasn't it?
> 


Thats where I got it from originally, and look whats happening now...

**************And there is NO need to get nasty about it
Matt****************
*****If you keep that up I might just unsubscribe from here.  And
everyone***
**is here to help - no matter what the question is.  So appologize,
please.**

Bifford the Youngest.

(He may not be the smartest thing on two legs, but he's very cute when
you get to know him!)

Hi Rob,

> It's always nice what a tit gets what's coming...

So we're getting back to the cover of AF130 again are we ?

And that's number three....  Steee-rike !!!   :)

Sorry, Rob, I couldnt resist...

Cheers,

Eddie

"
> > MUIRexx.mcc is in the MUI:Libs/Mui draw where it should be so can
> > anyone help?
> 
> I don't have a MUIRexx.mcc but the three files needed for MUIRexx to
> function correctly are
> 
> MUI:Libs/muirexx.library
> MUI:Libs/MUI/Icon.mcc
> SYS:Rexxc/MUIRexx

Thankyou Neil,  this is more like the response I would expect from
people on this list - and it tells me the one thing I really need to
know:  that I'm missing the file in Sys:Rexxc/MUIRexx.  The other two
are there but this one isnt.

A *****BIG**** thankyou to Neil.

Bifford the Youngest.

> > > MUIRexx.mcc is in the MUI:Libs/Mui draw where it should be so can
> > > anyone help?
> > > 
> > > Is there somewhere I can download a new copy with 
> > > Installer program?
> > 
> > Try Aminet you lazy idiot.
> > 
> > It was you who did this last time, wasn't it?
> 
> 
> Thats where I got it from originally, and look whats happening now...

Well Neil Bothwick certainly managed to find the archive FOR you,
as if he didn't have better things to be getting on with.

You *do* know what and where the Aminet is, don't you?
 
> **************And there is NO need to get nasty about it
> Matt****************
> *****If you keep that up I might just unsubscribe from here.  And
> everyone***
> **is here to help - no matter what the question is.  So appologize,
> please.**

Only if you quit typing asterisks at me :)

> (He may not be the smartest thing on two legs, but he's very cute when
> you get to know him!)

Less of that (although I *am* rather cute, in a fluffy kitteny kinda way :)

Meow :)

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

> >  What is my webpage address anyway?  The e-mail from Neil didnt
tell me
> > and the info pack hasnt arrived yet.
> 
> You weren't sent one, it's basically a letter containing the same as
the
> email you got. All the other info you need is in the support section
of
> the web site.
> 
> To answer your question, it's http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net.com
> 
Thanks.  I guessed it was something like this...I'll hotfoot my way to
the website again (must have missed it on the first pass.)


> To answer your next question (how do I upload?), see the web site :)
He - thats what all the AFBs are for that are still waiting to be
digested!
 
> 
> Neil

Thanks,
Bifford the Youngest.

Matt - whatever your last reply was - can you repost please - its
comming up as a blank page on netscape.

(even if it was the start of a fight letter.....:)
 
Sam.

> Matt - whatever your last reply was - can you repost please - its
> comming up as a blank page on netscape.
> 
> (even if it was the start of a fight letter.....:)

Get a better browser :)

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Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> > Matt - whatever your last reply was - can you repost please - its
> > comming up as a blank page on netscape.
> > 
> > (even if it was the start of a fight letter.....:)
> 
> Get a better browser :)
> 
> -- 
> Matt 

Not up to me - UNI Pcs and Macs.  Though saying that - My Amiga did it
at home as well.  So what did you say dans that last letter?

Sam.

Hi Matt,

 > Actually I'm more like an angry little kitten who is fed up of the
> teasing with kitty treats and catnip-soaked toys, and just wants
> some tummy-tickling style fuss :)

> Meow? Mew! Mreow! Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..

Oh gawd no ! Not the pussy analogy again. You'll be doing the "but
aren't they cute widdle fuwballs..."  routine next  ;)

When will I learn to keep my big mouth shut ?

Cheers,

Eddie (double `oh gawd!' - the cat across the road is heading this way
now. I can see him from my window. Excuse me, I've just got to check
all the windows are shut...)

Hi Eddie,

> Oh gawd no ! Not the pussy analogy again. You'll be doing the "but
> aren't they cute widdle fuwballs..."  routine next  ;)

Pussy? You're not talking about that AF130 cover again are you?

All the best,
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If this were a real tag, I'm sure it would be funny.

> Pussy? You're not talking about that AF130 cover again are you?

Groan.... when will it ever end??!?!

RobM

> > Oh gawd no ! Not the pussy analogy again. You'll be doing the "but
> > aren't they cute widdle fuwballs..."  routine next  ;)
> 
> Pussy? You're not talking about that AF130 cover again are you?

No - he's referring to what that pimp was offering you in Japan.

Bifford.

> No, they were just the first people to tell me they had them. I do hope
> everyone on the list is going to buy it, or that if you aren't our feature
> on OS3.5 this issue will convince you... :)

I'm gonna buy it. But I'll need money first, and that could take a couple of
weeks. I still intend to get AmiGactive, but haven't found a copy yet.

Neil

On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:56:03 +0100,  wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> =2E=2E=2Ebut often isn't - see my address=2E  I haven't found a way to do=
 it meyself=2E

If there isn't a 'name' box, simply enter "Your Name <email@address>" in
the email address box; it should work=2E

--=20
*The Wibble - http://www=2Ethewibble=2Eco=2Euk - We Are One Year Old And No=
 Wiser*
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
=AF
This week featuring=2E=2E=2E Our birthday celebration=2E=2E=2E Karl Marx=2E=
=2E=2E Chris
Tarrant's Talents=2E=2E=2E Jeff Banks is Touching Cloth=2E=2E=2E and Time T=
o Cook=2E=2E=2E

On 21 Oct 99 14:05:34 -0500, Eddie Maddock wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> I've also got an ex rental copy of Aliens from when it first came
> out on video=2E One of the first tapes I'd come across that claimed to
> use Macrovision=2E

Yeah, Macrovision messes up the sync pulses, so the footage can be
played back, but most VCR's will be unable to record them; some can copy
Macrovision tapes though=2E

You can also get Macrovision removers now; you'll find them advertised
in satelite TV mags, since Sky added Macrovision to Digital Box Office
films=2E

--=20
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 Wiser*
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
=AF
This week featuring=2E=2E=2E Our birthday celebration=2E=2E=2E Karl Marx=2E=
=2E=2E Chris
Tarrant's Talents=2E=2E=2E Jeff Banks is Touching Cloth=2E=2E=2E and Time T=
o Cook=2E=2E=2E

>
> ...but often isn't - see my address.  I haven't found a way to do it
meyself.

Uh huh. It all depends on what client you use. If you're using from work/place
of education then your name may be set to something silly in the mail client
options (remember me, i03427? :).

Neil

>> ...but often isn't - see my address.  I haven't found a way to do it meyself.

> If there isn't a 'name' box, simply enter "Your Name <email@address>" in
> the email address box; it should work.

Tried it - it doesn't work...

RobM

>Hi all,
>Power have got their copies of OS3.5 in stock. Give 'em a ring on (01234)
>851500 and tell 'em I sent you...


This stinks Ben

Amiga sent them all out at once on Tuesday so there would be no stupid
claims like this from individual dealers.

I certainly didnt expect such biassed comment to come from your keyboard

Alan

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Vost <ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk>
To: AFB mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
Date: 20 October 1999 15:17
Subject: [afb] OS3.5


Hi all,

Power have got their copies of OS3.5 in stock. Give 'em a ring on (01234)
851500 and tell 'em I sent you...

34.95 + 5 P+P

All the best,
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Hi Alan,


> This stinks Ben

> Amiga sent them all out at once on Tuesday so there would be no stupid
> claims like this from individual dealers.

> I certainly didnt expect such biassed comment to come from your keyboard

I just thought it was important to tell folks that they could now get it
(since there hadn't been any announcement from Amiga to this list) and
Power were the first people to tell me they had it in stock. I'm sure you
have copies of it too, so people should also call Eyetech on 01642
713185...

All the best,
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    Try: http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/

Hi Tudor,

> Sort of Amiga related (but not completely!)

> Check out:-
> http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/

> for the ultimate in process handling, etc

Superb! We could use something like this as an alternative to ARTM! :)

All the best,
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          New sig wanted good price paid.

Hello MARRISR, on 21-Oct-99 09:35:06 you said about:
  [afb] Re: No Subject (Windows 2000 OT) 

[snip]

>> Is it?

>Yup, when you came back to the list after your hols you seemed to have calmed
>down, but now you're back to the old arrogant, egotistical gobshite.
>:)

You forgot obnoxious... ;)

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>> Yup, when you came back to the list after your hols you seemed to have calmed
>> down, but now you're back to the old arrogant, egotistical gobshite.
>> :)

>You forgot obnoxious... ;)

Thanks Andy - wouldn't want to miss one...
;)

RobM

> >> Is it?
> 
> >Yup, when you came back to the list after your hols you 
> seemed to have calmed
> >down, but now you're back to the old arrogant, egotistical gobshite.
> >:)
> 
> You forgot obnoxious... ;)

Quite how you're all getting this from simple emails is beyond me,
I think you're all threatened by my presence and have to make up
lame excuses for it ;)

Narf!

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University of Leicester

On Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 03:23:00PM +0100, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Quite how you're all getting this from simple emails is beyond me,
> I think you're all threatened by my presence and have to make up
> lame excuses for it ;)

Yeah - that's it - don't know why I didn't consider it earlier :)

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Hi Dan,
 
> You can also get Macrovision removers now; you'll find them advertised
> in satelite TV mags, since Sky added Macrovision to Digital Box Office
> films.

Blimey, they don't waste much time cracking these things, do they ?

Cheers,

Eddie

Hi  Ben,

> > > Oh gawd no ! Not the pussy analogy again. You'll be doing the "but
> > > aren't they cute widdle fuwballs..."  routine next  ;)
 
> > Pussy? You're not talking about that AF130 cover again are you?

> No - he's referring to what that pimp was offering you in Japan.

That woman wanted to give you a cat ? Blimey, and there was me
thinking she was offering sex for Yen. I got a one track mind me ;)

Cheers,

Eddie

> Hi Dan,
>  
> > You can also get Macrovision removers now; you'll find them 
> > advertised in satelite TV mags, since Sky added Macrovision
> > to Digital Box Office films.
> 
> Blimey, they don't waste much time cracking these things, do they ?

There's nothing to crack. All Macrovision does is litter the signal
with false signals which correspond to the vertical sync on your TV -
your video will send these out every 50th of a second anyway, to
commence the start of a new frame, but TV's will ignore them. VCR's
however, use the signal to actually START a new frame, and therefore
you'll never get a fully encoded frame on a re-recorded Macrovision
tape - just the top bit and a bunch of fuzz is all you can hope for.

All the boxes do is cancel *all* the signals that don't come every
50th of a second, cleaning it up. There really is nothing to it.
In fact, it's always been said that it's a pretty lame copy protection
method as it's all too easy to notice what it does :)

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> Quite how you're all getting this from simple emails is beyond me,
> I think you're all threatened by my presence and have to make up
> lame excuses for it ;)

Where are we getting it from?
The things yo say in your mails, Matt.  You're persistantly offensive when
people ask for help - which was the main reason AFB was setup, IIRC.  You think
you're the better than everyone on this list at everything they do.  You reply
with "Go find it yourself you lazy idiot" when it would have been far better to
have said nothing.  A large number of people find you annoying at the very least
due to your lack of courtesy.  Oh yes, and I don't know of anyone else who's
been banned from this list quite as often as you (infact, aren't you the *only*
one??)

Do you want me to continue or is that enough for you?

RobM

> > Quite how you're all getting this from simple emails is beyond me,
> > I think you're all threatened by my presence and have to make up
> > lame excuses for it ;)
> 
> Where are we getting it from?

Thin air :)

> The things yo say in your mails, Matt.  You're persistantly 
> offensive when people ask for help - which was the main
> reason AFB was setup, IIRC.  You think you're the better
> than everyone on this list at everything they do.

No, I'm better than everyone on this list at everything that
*I* do :) There's a big difference, in that nobody here does
what I actually do ... do they?

Even do, most of it is harmless bouncing of insults off
people to provoke a reaction. There's no intent to it, I
just enjoy seeing how people react.

> You reply with "Go find it yourself you lazy idiot" when
> it would have been far better to have said nothing.

It would have been far better for the original poster to
look beyond the mailing list and see for him/herself.

Where is a certain peice of software? Well I'll be damned
if it isn't on Aminet. And if it ISN'T on Aminet then I
can forgive you for asking, but when it BLATANTLY IS, and
they provide a search function (so you don't have to grep
the index personally), it might be nice if someone actually
got off their arse and USED it.

How come *I* can find all the software I want, and everybody
else has to ask here? I can't be THAT bored that I can use
a search engine, or scan Aminet, or go to the AWD and check
there..

> A large number of people find you annoying at the very least
> due to your lack of courtesy.  Oh yes, and I don't know of 
> anyone else who's been banned from this list quite as often
> as you (infact, aren't you the *only* one??)

Twice, I think :)

I think my biggest gripe is that most of the Amiga users I've
ever met have some kind of complex which means they can't
work anything out for themselves, and means they have to jump
to rather stupid conclusions about ANYTHING that happens to
the Amiga, especially when the word Microsoft is involved.

I thought this list might be an escape from that - and usually
it is. But when they pop up, I might as well be banging my
head against c.s.a.m. for all the good they do me, and the
list in general. Idiot of the Month, anyone?

> Do you want me to continue or is that enough for you?

No more! I'm bored sh_tless as it is without this :)

Whoops, I'm doing it again, aren't I? Just ignore me
if I insult you - forget that I said it because I hardly
ever mean it.

Think kittens :)

Neko

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Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> No, I'm better than everyone on this list at everything that
> *I* do :) There's a big difference, in that nobody here does
> what I actually do ... do they?

Maybe I should have put arrogant in twice.  You've absolutely no idea how good
the rest of us are at anything *you* do.

> Even do, most of it is harmless bouncing of insults off
> people to provoke a reaction. There's no intent to it, I
>just enjoy seeing how people react.

The words "get yourself a life, mate" spring to mind.

> It would have been far better for the original poster to
> look beyond the mailing list and see for him/herself.

Yeah, but they're usually newbies so this should be tollerated on a list of this
sort (right Ben?)

>> due to your lack of courtesy.  Oh yes, and I don't know of
>> anyone else who's been banned from this list quite as often
>> as you (infact, aren't you the *only* one??)

> Twice, I think :)

> I think my biggest gripe is that most of the Amiga users I've
> ever met have some kind of complex which means they can't
> work anything out for themselves, and means they have to jump
> to rather stupid conclusions about ANYTHING that happens to
> the Amiga, especially when the word Microsoft is involved.

Matt - you've been in support too long; take a look at the attitude it's given
you.  I grant you that most Amiga users jump at the word Microshite, but that's
*their* attitude problem.

> Whoops, I'm doing it again, aren't I? Just ignore me
> if I insult you - forget that I said it because I hardly
> ever mean it.

Then why say what you do?  With as much technical knowledge as you've got (don't
go getting big headed) you're a "valuable" member of the list - if you could
only sort out the attitude maybe you wouldn't scare away as many people as you
have.

RobM

Hi,

From Amiga.org:
Gateway, of course, gains a substantial investment and a partner in the device
market. Like many PC companies, Gateway is trying to devise a strategy to tap
the growing market for Internet appliances. The company is working on devices
that will use software from Amiga, the multimedia computer company Gateway
owns.

Check out:
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-920643.html?tag=st.ne.1002.thed.1006-200-
920643 for the full story.

Neil

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Hi Rob and Matthew,

>> No, I'm better than everyone on this list at everything that
>> *I* do :) There's a big difference, in that nobody here does
>> what I actually do ... do they?

> Maybe I should have put arrogant in twice. You've absolutely no idea how
> good the rest of us are at anything *you* do.

Okay you two. While I'm all in favour of free speech, if you wish to carry
on, please take it outside (this list).

All the best,
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On 21 Oct 99 15:14:04 -0500, Eddie Maddock wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> Blimey, they don't waste much time cracking these things, do they ?

Not sure; Macrovision has been in use for at least two years now (the
copy of Bottom Live 2 I brought in '97 had Macrovision), but I'm not
sure how long the removers have been available=2E=20

I don't think they're advertised as Macrovision Removers though; more
likely something like "Sync Regenerators" etc=2E :)
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Tarrant's Talents=2E=2E=2E Jeff Banks is Touching Cloth=2E=2E=2E and Time T=
o Cook=2E=2E=2E

OS3.5 has now been released, but will you be buying it?

It will be interesting to see how many people
vote for 3 and 5 ;)
----

Please select one of the following:

   o Yes, of course I will!
   o Yes, if I can get the money :)
   o No, I'll just pirate it.
   o No, I don't think its worth it.
   o No, it only has demos of Miami and AWeb.


by going to the following Web form:

   http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=940518342536

Thank you!

Hi gaz@jokerd.co.uk <gaz@jokerd.co.uk>,

On the 21-Oct-99 you muttered something about [afb] POLL: Will you be buying OS3.5? if I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> AFB: All polls MUST have dates!
> 

SORRY! I thought Egroups automatically did it :(

Well for the record its the 21st October :)

Cya d00d
GazChap.
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Hi gaz@jokerd.co.uk,

> OS3.5 has now been released, but will you be buying it?

This will be cancelled. No date... 

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All generalizations are false, including this one.

21.10.99 OS3.5 has now been released, but will you be buying it?

   o Yes, of course I will!
   o Yes, if I can get the money :)
   o No, I'll just pirate it.
   o No, I don't think its worth it.
   o No, it only has demos of Miami and AWeb.
----

Please select one of the following:

   o Yes, of course I will!
   o Yes, if I can get the money
   o I'm not sure yet
   o No, I'll pirate it
   o No, I don't think it's worth the money
   o No, the internet software isn't good enough


by going to the following Web form:

   http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=940518808049

Thank you!

I was wondering if anybody has any addresses of sites that allow you to
change the resolution of them whilst viewing them as I need to compare
them for work,
Thanks if anyone can help.
Alex Thyer
a.thyer@swancoll.ac.uk
or 
alex@amigax.freeserve.co.uk

On Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 09:13:29AM -0700, ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk wrote:
> 21.10.99 OS3.5 has now been released, but will you be buying it?


You missed out - I have already ordered/bought it...

l8r
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Hi Alan

> This stinks Ben
> Amiga sent them all out at once on Tuesday so there would be no stupid
> claims like this from individual dealers.

But have you got yours yet Alan? I along with many others on the list have
pre-ordered from your firm and are dying to know when we'll get our grubby
hands on our copies of 3.5.

Chris Green
Technical Editor - Computing
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On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 biffordyoungest@hotmail.com wrote:

> Does the machine have to be "online all the time though - or does it
> just act like an answer machine would - intercepting the right type of
> calls and sticking them on the hard drive?

depends on your modem and your software. with a voice/fax/modem you can
save the message on the HD - even under different directories for
different people, depending on how you've set up the voice boxes. with
fancier modems, the modem itself stores the message

alan

21.10.99 OS3.5 has now been released, but will you be buying it? 


----

Please select one of the following:

   o Yes, of course I will
   o Yes, if I can get the money
   o I'm not sure yet
   o No, I'll pirate it
   o No, I don't think it's worth the money
   o No, the internet software isn't good enough


by going to the following Web form:

   http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=940518984212

Thank you!

How come PC Format is allowed to change it's logo but AF isn't?
/and/
I notice that Future no longer give a 'guarantee of value', instead
opting for 'Media With Passion'=2E Does this mean that instead of good
value magazines, you will be giving away passion fruit and decorating
the pages with pictures of lips?

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Hi Gaz,

> SORRY! I thought Egroups automatically did it :(

> Well for the record its the 21st October :)

I've redone it, and it now has one extra option. Since we are currently
writing our review of OS3.5 I was going to put a poll up anyway to ask
people. We'll put the results in this issue, which means that you only have
until monday to answer.

All the best,
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Hi Tudor,

>> 21.10.99 OS3.5 has now been released, but will you be buying it?

> You missed out - I have already ordered/bought it...

For those that pre-ordered you can always tick the "of course" box.
Although, I may have to redo the thing again...

All the best,
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f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng.

Sealey, M. wrote:

> NO! I ****DON'T**** WANT A FAFFY GUI! I JUST WANT A SHELL TOOL THAT
> WILL COMPILE WITHOUT HAVING TO INSTALL 100MB OF UNIX SHIT! I DON'T
> NEED A GUI, ALL I NEED IS A COMPILER THAT ***WORKS**!

Why don't you write one, then? It can't be that hard, if you know what
you're doing.
Of course, you'd have to get VBCC working first.

Hmm.. now thats something I've always found a bit odd: C compilers which
are written in C - WHY?
Well, now I have the answer; all the others aren't quite what you wan't.

-curry

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21.10.99 OS3.5 has now been released, but will you be buying it?
(Final version, honest). Please answer by Monday morning when this
poll will be closed for inclusion in this issue.

----

Please select one of the following:

   o Yes, I pre-ordered mine
   o Yes, of course I will
   o Yes, if I can get the money
   o I'm not sure yet
   o No, I'll pirate it
   o No, I don't think it's worth the money
   o No, the internet software isn't good enough


by going to the following Web form:

   http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=940519397120

Thank you!

Hi all,

Thanks to those that sent contributions in, but I've already used Daniel
Thornton's (cos he was first off the blocks), so you can put your pens(?)
down until next issue now...

All the best,
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> Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > NO! I ****DON'T**** WANT A FAFFY GUI! I JUST WANT A SHELL TOOL THAT
> > WILL COMPILE WITHOUT HAVING TO INSTALL 100MB OF UNIX SHIT! I DON'T
> > NEED A GUI, ALL I NEED IS A COMPILER THAT ***WORKS**!
> 
> Why don't you write one, then? It can't be that hard, if you know what
> you're doing.

I know how to write utilities, games (3D ones with OpenGL support
and a Physics engine :) and maybe the odd major application but I
must admit that things like compilers are way out of my depth.

My claim to fame is having written a virtual machine for MS-DOS,
which emulated my custom CPU - no better than a 6502 really - and
had a lovely debugger and disassembler and 64k of local memory
(and a 'video port' offering access to the PC video card via
some REALLY convoluted word reads and writes :)

But that's not a compiler, reading bytecode and executing some
emulated functions is no big deal. I doubt I'd have the patience
to read the ANSI specs - let alone implement them. And besides,
there are already enough compilers about, including VBCC..

> Of course, you'd have to get VBCC working first.

And that :)

> Hmm.. now thats something I've always found a bit odd: C 
> compilers which are written in C - WHY? Well, now I have
> the answer; all the others aren't quite what you wan't.

I have seen a Pascal compiler written in C before, that's
really freaky. Also I'm sure there was a BASIC written in
C somewhere that is bloody good reading if you can find the
source.

But C compilers were always meant to be written in C, that's
the whole point :) Ever since the first would have been
written in assembler or whatever, the object would be to
generate subsequent generations in C code, convert them
into an assembly language of choice (depending on the CPU)
and assemble.

Seriously, I'd love to find something that has a NICE
interface (maybe like GoldED with it's syntax highlighting),
some neatness to it (why VBCC has to have all those assigns
is beyond me) and that just lets me install it, create some
code, and COMPILE without hassles. VBCC at the moment has
me creating library files from fd's which is tedious at
best (and meant that I had to actually modify 5 fd files
to add library base names and delete the second occurrance
of #public - Rich, did you have any such troubles?)

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University of Leicester

Here are the results of the vote:

1. Bill Gates will take over the world and Wintel machines will rule.			1
2. The Amiga will (eventually) rule and all other platforms wil be relegated to myth...			1
3. The amiga will die, but Micro$oft  and/or Intel will be overturned in favour for some other OS/Platform.			4
4. Things will stay pretty much how they are.			4
5. Someone will make a fantastic NGAmiga and dominate the market.			5
6. Something else (good or bad).			6
7. The amiga will die, but Micro$oft will not have a complete monopoly over the industry.			8
8. Things will stay much the same, but the Amiga will go back into production in some form or another.			37

Hello Jon

On 20-Oct-99, you wrote ( about HDToolbox ):

>    try changing the DEVICE tooltype in the icon, mine would be
> DEVICE=2060scsi.device

  Tooltypes... /que je suis con!/ It was so simple that I'd never thought...
Obviously, there /are/ tooltypes... and of course, it works :-) Thanks!

  Patrice

Hi,

That is the version I am using. Everything has been fine, up until a few days
ago. Every time I receive a message, the Amiga crashes.

Now I can't use it at all, because everyime I set myself to Online/Invisible a
backlog of messages that StrICQ didn't get a chance to delete from te server
flood through, crashing it.

Any ideas why? There's a demo of my new game in it for you, if you can get it
sorted. Obviously the demo needs to be ready though, and at the moment it ain't
;)

</ubiquitous_plug_for_new_game> :)

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Life is obviously a battle, but who exactly is the enemy?

> > 21.10.99 OS3.5 has now been released, but will you be buying it?
> 
> 
> You missed out - I have already ordered/bought it...

Yup - mines pre-ordered, should be winging its way as we speek. 
Finally - I can tidy up behind the sceen of Dopus.  Hamlet anyone?

Bifford.

> That is the version I am using. Everything has been fine, up 
> until a few days ago. Every time I receive a message, the
> Amiga crashes.

[snip]
 
> Any ideas why? There's a demo of my new game in it for you, 
> if you can get it sorted. Obviously the demo needs to be
> ready though, and at the moment it ain't
> ;)

It's crashing for the most part because it's beta software,
and it's EXPECTED to crash. Does it crash with .13xx or
whatever the last normal release was?

I suppose the BEST thing to do would be to install ICQ on
a PC and delete the messages from there.

Otherwise, deleting the entire StrICQ directory and reinstalling
from scratch wouldn't do any harm, at least then it wouldn't
be an installation problem. 1 down, many to go :)

(Rob - is that better? :)

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Ben, the ARexx tutorial at the moment is great. 
But now that you have OS3.5 could you extend the tutorial 
to include instructions on how to use the new OS's ARexx 
port? 

On a slightly different note. I can't believe workbench hasn't 
had an ARexx port before! It's such a brilliant but obvious idea. 

james

James Rollison
c96jr@dmu.ac.uk

> > Does the machine have to be "online all the time though - or does it
> > just act like an answer machine would - intercepting the right type
of
> > calls and sticking them on the hard drive?
> 
> depends on your modem and your software. with a voice/fax/modem you
can
> save the message on the HD - even under different directories for
> different people, depending on how you've set up the voice boxes. with
> fancier modems, the modem itself stores the message

Hi Alan,

Firstly, thanks for your help with this, no-one else seems to know the
answers (or is ignoring me :) ).
Secondly - is there an Url where I can get all the info I need - i can
only pester you so much :)

I have the MagicXpress 56k Voice/fax/data modem atm.  When i get home
I'll have another look at the online help but it didnt help the first
time.  Maybe I missed the bits I need?  (Probably!)

Thanx, 
Bifford the Youngest.

Hi JAMES,

> Ben, the ARexx tutorial at the moment is great. 
> But now that you have OS3.5 could you extend the tutorial 
> to include instructions on how to use the new OS's ARexx 
> port? 

> On a slightly different note. I can't believe workbench hasn't 
> had an ARexx port before! It's such a brilliant but obvious idea. 

And one I've asked for many a time... I'll see what I can do...

All the best,
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Hello Eddie

On 21-Oct-99, you wrote:
[snip]

>  but, obviously, I can't
> lend it to any friends who've only got a standard video machine. And I
> can't make them a PAL copy - so the buggers all end up round my place,
> eating my food and drinking my beer !
> 
I know how you feel......they all come round to my house to watch the latest
movies, months before it's released at the cinema over here. :-)

> Gotta get that multi regional DVD player. Maybe that'll work better :)
> 
> Eddie
You won't regret it......btw, I recommend MovieTyme USA for their excellent
personal importation service of Region 1 DVD's.  They have a UK office in
Wolverhampton and it usually takes only 3-4 days to receive stuff direct
from the States.
 
Regards

chris
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Hi Matt

On 21-Oct-99, you wrote:

> VBCC at the moment has
> me creating library files from fd's which is tedious at
> best (and meant that I had to actually modify 5 fd files
> to add library base names and delete the second occurrance
> of #public - Rich, did you have any such troubles?)

I assume you're making link libs for 3rd-party shared libraries? This is the
bugger with VBCC - none of the 3rd-party SDKs support it very well. 

Which libraries are giving you hassle?


Cheers,
Rich

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> Hi Matt
> 
> On 21-Oct-99, you wrote:
> 
> > VBCC at the moment has
> > me creating library files from fd's which is tedious at
> > best (and meant that I had to actually modify 5 fd files
> > to add library base names and delete the second occurrance
> > of #public - Rich, did you have any such troubles?)
> 
> I assume you're making link libs for 3rd-party shared 
> libraries? This is the bugger with VBCC - none of the
> 3rd-party SDKs support it very well. 

:) You'll be surprised :)

> Which libraries are giving you hassle?

cia_lib.fd and colorwheel_lib.fd I think. A few of the 'official'
fd files don't seem to be correct. cia_lib.fd definitely didn't
have a library base defined, and most of them fling up warnings
that there either isn't a #public flag or there are too many!

I have only made two linker libs for third party libraries,
namely guigfx.lib and render.lib, and they went with minor
modifications.. and worked fine up until a few days ago :)

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi Matt.

On 21-Oct-99, you wrote:

> cia_lib.fd and colorwheel_lib.fd I think. A few of the 'official'
> fd files don't seem to be correct. cia_lib.fd definitely didn't
> have a library base defined, and most of them fling up warnings
> that there either isn't a #public flag or there are too many!

You're building amiga.lib? What's wrong with the one supplied with VBCC?

Cheers,
Rich


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phone : +44 (0)1225 442244 ext 2417

MicroniK have got a sale on with there Amiga Stuff, does this mean they a=
re giving up? Internet Orders only though, http://www.micronik.de

Neil Thomas, AKA BobF

> Hi Matt.
> 
> On 21-Oct-99, you wrote:
> 
> > cia_lib.fd and colorwheel_lib.fd I think. A few of the 'official'
> > fd files don't seem to be correct. cia_lib.fd definitely didn't
> > have a library base defined, and most of them fling up warnings
> > that there either isn't a #public flag or there are too many!
> 
> You're building amiga.lib? What's wrong with the one supplied 
> with VBCC?

amiga.lib is a different thing, isn't it? I have the docs for amiga.lib
and it certainly doesn't include any extravagencies as all those boopsi
thingies.. I thought it was just a general support library.

Correct me if I'm wrong (VBCC is doing my head in, why couldn't they
have just continued SAS? :(

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> MicroniK have got a sale on with there Amiga Stuff, does this 
> mean they are giving up?

Rob - see what I mean?

> Internet Orders only though, http://www.micronik.de

It probably means that they've realised that nobody buys anything
from them - not because there isn't a market for it, but because
compared to other products such as the Power Tower and Eyetech Z4
boards:

Micronik Products Suck Ass!

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

It's there!

My website is finally out of beta testing. All the links
work, and it's just how I want it.

Content is sparse, but go see it anyway!

Marvel at the Javascript! Wonder at the pretty graphics!
Moan at how it's virtually empty!

http://www.neko.u-net.com/

Compare with the old site!

http://www.neko.u-net.com/old/

Comment! Thanks!

(do you think I went ott with the exclamations?)

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Actually Micronik announced they were quitting the Amiga market about the
same time as Amiga Inc decided to self distruct.

And yes - Micronik products do suck ass (especially that poxy plastic tower
I used to have)!

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Hi Matt

On 21-Oct-99, you wrote:
 
> amiga.lib is a different thing, isn't it? I have the docs for amiga.lib
> and it certainly doesn't include any extravagencies as all those boopsi
> thingies.. I thought it was just a general support library.

Amiga.lib should have pointers to the CIA registers, along with all the
LVOs, stubs to library functions, etc. Maybe there's some stuff missing
from the VBCC one.

Try using the official one. Shove it through DICE's libtos tool to get a
small data model version.

If I get time I'll check the src for VBCC lib and see what's there . . .


Cheers,
Rich

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Hello Ben Vost, on 21-Oct-99 15:21:30 you said about:
  [afb] MANAGE: AFB text 

>Hi all,

>Thanks to those that sent contributions in, but I've already used Daniel
>Thornton's (cos he was first off the blocks), so you can put your pens(?)
>down until next issue now...

Bugger! Why didn't this arrive before I sent my effort in!


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Hi M. <mws2@leicester.ac.uk>,

On the 21-Oct-99 you muttered something about [afb] Re: StrICQ 0.1561 if I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?

> It's crashing for the most part because it's beta software,
> and it's EXPECTED to crash. Does it crash with .13xx or
> whatever the last normal release was?

The fact being that its never crashed before. I also have another installation
of StrICQ (same version) that works fine. I use that at the moment, but I want
to know why this one crashes all the time.
 
> I suppose the BEST thing to do would be to install ICQ on
> a PC and delete the messages from there.

True, but what about when I get anoher message ;)

> Otherwise, deleting the entire StrICQ directory and reinstalling
> from scratch wouldn't do any harm, at least then it wouldn't
> be an installation problem. 1 down, many to go :)

I'm about to do that, after noting down my contacts ;)

Cya d00d
GazChap.
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I wired my dryer backwards; now it spits out extra socks.

> > This stinks Ben
> > Amiga sent them all out at once on Tuesday so there would be no stupid
> > claims like this from individual dealers.
>
> But have you got yours yet Alan? I along with many others on the list have
> pre-ordered from your firm and are dying to know when we'll get our grubby
> hands on our copies of 3.5.

And I will probably be ordering from Eyetech too... Like to keep it local, you
see :)

Neil - in North Yorkshire...

Hi all,

I've just completed the first three levels of a Doom 2 PWAD using Hellmaker
on the Mac. I tried to test it using DoomAttack on the Amiga but, erm, I
don't know how to make it load. It works fine on the Mac, BTW.

Anybody tell me how to go about it?

Regards,
Jonny.

--
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you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Hi Matt,

> All the boxes do is cancel *all* the signals that don't come every
> 50th of a second, cleaning it up. There really is nothing to it.
> In fact, it's always been said that it's a pretty lame copy protection
> method as it's all too easy to notice what it does :)

Oh I certainly don't miss what it does. It fecks up my video copying
is what it does   :(     Actually, I'm surprised no one's jumped in
with the piracy argument yet. If I was talking about a piece of Amiga
software there'd be a lynch mob forming. But that's the video culture
for you. By their very nature, videorecorders are designed to tape
copyright material off the telly, so a certain amount of illegality is
tolerated from the start.

So that's nice then.

Cheers,

Eddie

Hi,

Told you I'd do it :) This is all theory. I can't be bothered resetting my
machine to test if it works, but in theory, it should.

In your startup sequence, after all the 'Assign ENV: Ram:ENV/' stuff, type
this...

Cd Sys:Desktop/
List "" QUICK >>:.backdrop LFORMAT "%p%s" PAT=~(#?.info)

You can change Sys:Desktop/ to any directory you like. Just put
files/scripts/whatever into the directory and the next time you reset, they
should appear on your desktop. If the files don't have icons when they appear
on your desktop, delete the 'PAT=~(#?.info)' part. I'm not sure how workbench
handles icons on leftout's and can't be bothered looking.

Anyway, whoever wanted this, I hope it helps :)

Neil

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  Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check?

Sealey, M. said, 

>> To answer your next question (how do I upload?), see the web site :)

> Aw, that's ever-so-cruel. It took me 20 minutes to find the page 
> on u-net to find out how to upload webpages, and it was embedded
> in some obscure links on some naff text pages.

Go to http://www.wire.net.uk
Click the Support Link
Click "How do I upload my web site"

How could I make it easier for you? I'd put it on Aminet but I doubt
you'd bother to look :)


Neil
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Hello Neil

> In your startup sequence, after all the 'Assign ENV: Ram:ENV/' stuff, type
> this...
> 
> Cd Sys:Desktop/
> List "" QUICK >>:.backdrop LFORMAT "%p%s" PAT=~(#?.info)
> 
> You can change Sys:Desktop/ to any directory you like. Just put
> files/scripts/whatever into the directory and the next time you reset,
> they should appear on your desktop. If the files don't have icons when
> they appear on your desktop, delete the 'PAT=~(#?.info)' part. I'm not
> sure how workbench handles icons on leftout's and can't be bothered
> looking.

Nearly, this is how I changed it to work on my setup with mufs:

List "$home/desktop" QUICK >:.backdrop LFORMAT ":%p%s" PAT=~(#?.info)

with mufs every user on my system can have different icons left out :)

Tom U

hi,

>Or I can just get Ben or Rich to download it, and have it on
>CD forever - with instructions as to how to install it in the
>mag I hope (not that it's hard), whereas my way I'd have to
>get lord knows how many Zip disks, fashion an adapter to fit
>my parallel drive to my Amiga 1200 and do it that way, which
>is a lot more hassle :)

yes...but how do you think some of us have installed Linux in the past? :-)

that adapter is a doddle to design....to see certain companies selling it for
15 ukp is annoying..these things cost 5 ukp to make - and thats for a really
nice solution...more people would have them, im sure, if there wasnt such a
'tax' on the hobbyist

alan

On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> no, -+ means less strict parsing, including C++ comments. VBCC doesn't
> do C++ code, because it's only a C compiler :)

okay...it means dont barf on C++ comments and some other general things
;-)
   
> Not the point, the fact that Richard came out and proved him wrong sorta
> made it pointless. Steffen knows StormC is shite - or more precisely he

no, its the fact that StormC wasnt reviewed correctly against vbcc
..yes, it gets big bonus points because its free, but StormC has a lot
more going for it

alan

On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 biffordyoungest@hotmail.com wrote:

> Thats where I got it from originally, and look whats happening now...

?? its not uncommon at all to download program X from the aminet - only
to find it also requires programs a,b and c - luckily they, too, are
often found on the aminet. and with an ADT client, getting stuff from
the aminet is childs play

alan

Hi Rob

> > Grrr.  I'm a student, and I don't get days off.  Mind you, I am doing 4
> A-levels...
>
> ...and how many hours a week are your lectures?  Surely no more than
18-20 -
> that's an easy life...

A-levels are 5 hours a week each.  So that makes 20, plus 1 for tutor makes
2 :-(

Tatty byes
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prefabricated churches.

On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 alex@amigax.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

> I was wondering if anybody has any addresses of sites that allow you to
> change the resolution of them whilst viewing them as I need to compare
> them for work,

dont know...i do know that the wonderful Opera browser does this - it
has zoom functionality right there :-)

any word on this port?

alan

Hello  amipal,
                        Get an off-line-reader, such as Yam, Thor, MD2, and
set your taggs however you want

> I may sound stupid, but how to you guys get all of those cool taglines
> at the end of your posts?

    Bomber Harris

Hi Folks,
             I recently changed my subs to read on the web and ended up over
a few days I collected over 600 mails and have a lot of E-Mails with no
subject
                 ******** Why ?********

    Bomber Harris

hi,

> code, and COMPILE without hassles. VBCC at the moment has
> me creating library files from fd's which is tedious at
> best (and meant that I had to actually modify 5 fd files
> to add library base names and delete the second occurrance
> of #public - Rich, did you have any such troubles?)

what .libs are you having to compile for yourself from the FD ?

alan

hi,

> Firstly, thanks for your help with this, no-one else seems to know the
> answers (or is ignoring me :) ).
> Secondly - is there an Url where I can get all the info I need - i can
> only pester you so much :)

well, i cant help you much further...my older comms experiences derives
from my days as a BBS SysOp and my early early looks at STFax..version
0.5 if i remember! ;-) 

i'd suggest searching the WW - 'stfax user guide' might be a good start
:-)
 
> I have the MagicXpress 56k Voice/fax/data modem atm.  When i get home
> I'll have another look at the online help but it didnt help the first
> time.  Maybe I missed the bits I need?  (Probably!)

all you need should be in the documentation....otherwise i cant imaginme
that any average user would be able to add call redirection, seperate
boxes, ID tagging etc etc

alan

hi,

> I assume you're making link libs for 3rd-party shared libraries? This is the
> bugger with VBCC - none of the 3rd-party SDKs support it very well. 

oh, i dunno, the Warp3D support is very good :-)
Other than that, i've only installed CGFX and AHI ones with some time
wasted
 
alan

On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Richard Drummond wrote:

> You're building amiga.lib? What's wrong with the one supplied with VBCC?

probably didnt see the -lamiga , or the vc.config is screwed?

alan

On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Neil Thomas wrote:

> MicroniK have got a sale on with there Amiga Stuff, does this mean they are giving up? Internet Orders only though, http://www.micronik.de

sale?? those prices look pretty normal to me... 

alan

hi,

> Correct me if I'm wrong (VBCC is doing my head in, why couldn't they
> have just continued SAS? :(

ack..tell me about it...if only SAS/C had got WarpUP support :-|

alan

I'd like to get the Silver Surfer after reading the review in AF, but
does anyone know if it's 1D4 compatible? I don't really want to have to
pay to get my motherboard fixed as well, y'see :/

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Dear All,

I'm hoping some of you might have some suggestions or ideas about this.

After exactly 6 months and 8 days of faithful service my Blizzard 603e+
@160MHz/040 appears to have packed in.  My SCSI interface is not
working, the card is not recognised in the boot menu expansion board
diagnostic, my BVision is not displaying anything, my 32Mb of RAM is
gone, BUT THE 040 IS STILL BEING RECOGNISED BY MY AMIGA!!!  The strange
thing was that it was working one minute, but a soft reboot later it
had failed!  The only thing I can think of doing was that I held down
"s" to disable the SCSI interface at the time, but otherwise was doing
nothing unusual.  There were no problems leading up to the incident
that I can recall.

I phoned Eyetech where I got it from, but they only provide technical
support between 12:15 and 13:30 Mon-Fri, so I'll need to wait till
tomorrow to try them again.  The worrying thing, is that you only get a
6 month warranty on these boards, and IIRC they've stopped making them
now, so the chances of getting a replacement if it is faulty will be
slim at best.  It's at times like this when expensive stuff goes wrong
that I sometimes wish I had a Mac or PC :-(  I'm also now stuck with an
020 and 2Mb chip ram, with no other accelerator to plug my SIMS into. 
Using my Amiga is a slow and painful process at the moment, and I'm
forced to use my work laptop to enter this message using the Web, since
there's no Outlook installed, and our IT system doesn't allow us to
install extra applications on our work machines.

If anybody has any similar experiences, or suggestions that they could
share, I would be eternally grateful.

Regards,

Stephen Webber
stephen@scooby.freewire.co.uk

On 20-Oct-99, MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

>> Methinks you don't know who Neil Bothwick is. Arguing with the owner of
>> an ISP about net software isn't the brightest idea ever, I must admit.

> Methinks you should check who I was replying to before being so quick to
> comment (it was Alan Buxey)...

The reply was to Neil, his name was at the top, and it was his quotes you
write under.

Mash - 
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                               Matthew O'Neill

Ted Kennedy for Lifeguard.

On 20-Oct-99, A Timiney wrote:

>> I vote that Ben puts some Anim porn on the front of the Christmas
>> issue. There's a load of it on CUCD21 I hear :)

> No! This just makes everone think that Manga is a cheap excuse for
> porno.

Can we have some porn anyway though? ;)

Mash - 
-- 
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                               Matthew O'Neill

"Ah, Mr. Woof." Lwaxana Troy

Hi Tim
Somewhere around 20-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: cd
speeds

> There are 6 x normal spin speed CD drives.

> Don't forget though, that the data rate is relative to whether you're
> reading from near the edge, or the center, of the disk.  It's faster at
> the edge, as more disk whizzes past the lens within one revolution.

I know, so that half meg a second was actually the minimum? plus taking into
account my lousey 030

Mash - 
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                               Matthew O'Neill

Ura Redneck if you think paprika is a third-world country.

Hi Thomas
Somewhere around 19-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: All
change

>> I created a really complex (for me, anyhow) AmigaDOS script
>> last week, it's even got a nice progress bar :)

> Progress bar? How did you manage that in AmigaDOS?

Ads a guess, DOpus

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So Frosty, how was the hot chocolate? Frosty, where are you?

On 19-Oct-99, Patrice Champarou wrote:

>> /*Thank You Matthew O'Neill For Your Email Dated 17-Oct-99*/

>  Glad to know he sometimes answers :-(

What!!??? I answer all emails addressed to me unless they've come to an end.


1) Why is someone thanking me for a mail
2) Which of your mails have I missed?

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Ura Redneck if your wife's hairdo has been caught in a ceiling fan.

Hi Neil
Somewhere around 20-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: HD
worries

> They normally wait a few months, to make sure there's plenty of data to
> lose.

I've gotta get a new drive soon, my 1.3gig is full and there is phenominal
amounts of critical data on the sucker, I'll shove everything onto the new
drive and use the old one as backup. Anyone recommend a good drive?
anything around 100 will do, no frills needed. I have a tape drive with
1gig of tapes, but it wont work :( on the back it has 2 ports, 1 labelled
parallel and one serial (big amiga styleee) but have no idea if it'll ever
work :P

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Hi Neil
Somewhere around 19-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: No
Subject

>> Not what I asked, but if you're offering!! :)

> So you want a free sub but not the free calls? In that case, try
> freeswerve...

nooo, I want a subscription service and free calls which still count when
you aren't using BT. An 01582 isp on an NTL server would be nice, free
calls off peak :) pity there are none :(

>> noooo, you don't, you just /think/ you want to eat. It's all in the mind

> That's the problem, the mind is full but the stomach feels empty. And
> the family want feeding too.

Bah, sell them off into slavery and make a quick buck :) If they're smart
they could escape, allowing you to sell them again!

Mash - sold off into slavery
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                               Matthew O'Neill

"The recipe says a pinch of spice. I thought it said a 'pound'."

Eddie Maddock said, 

> By their very nature, videorecorders are designed to tape
> copyright material off the telly, so a certain amount of illegality is
> tolerated from the start.

I thought it had been decided, years ago, that "time shifting" (taping a
programme to watch later) wasn't copyright theft.


Neil
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On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:19:47 +0100, Sealey, M=2E (mws2@leicester=2Eac=2Euk)=
 wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >=20
> > Power have got their copies of OS3=2E5 in stock=2E Give 'em a=20
> > ring on (01234) 851500 and tell 'em I sent you=2E=2E=2E
> >=20
> > =A334=2E95 + =A35 P+P
>=20
> Ya-boo to all of ya, if you didn't preorder then you suck :)
>=20
> I'll probably get home and find it on my doorstep (or maybe
> tomorrow :)

Well I pre-ordered it from Power and it isn't here yet=2E  Maybe tomorrow=
=2E=20
Hopefully I'll get my PFS3 update from RamJam too  :-)

Kev

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/*Thank You Ben Vost For Your Email Dated 21-Oct-99*/

> No, they were just the first people to tell me they had them. I do hope
> everyone on the list is going to buy it, or that if you aren't our feature
> on OS3.5 this issue will convince you... :)


Well I'll be buying it in the next month or so. I'll have to wait for my pay
cheque! :-)

Thanks for the info Ben.
<tsb>

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> I'd like to get the Silver Surfer after reading the review in AF, but
> does anyone know if it's 1D4 compatible? I don't really want to have to
> pay to get my motherboard fixed as well, y'see :/

To be frank, no creative upgrade hack for the 1200 can be assured of working
properly on anything other than a 1D1 motherboard unless its been fixed.

However, that said, timing errors don't tend to rear their ugly head unless
you have an 030/040/060 accelerator fitted. I know several people with 1D4
boards that have no problem, but then I know just as many who do or did
until they had the boards fixed.

Chris Green
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Hello Stephen Harris, on 21-Oct-99 18:38:41 you said about:
  [afb] Subjects 

>Hi Folks,
>             I recently changed my subs to read on the web and ended up over
>a few days I collected over 600 mails and have a lot of E-Mails with no
>subject
>                 ******** Why ?********

Egroups is fecked, again (surprised? Not). Any messages posted from
their website lacks a subject.

-- 
 Andy Mills - http://www.wharne.u-net.com
 South West Amiga Group - http://www.swag.org.uk
 afb-ot's official webshite - http://www.afb-ot.the-works.org.uk
--
No baby on board - you can destroy my car now.

Hi Ben

> I do hope everyone on the list is going to buy it

I believe the phrase I'm looking for is 'Gimme, gimme, gimme!'

I've pre-ordered from Eyetech, and I've just finished upgrading my 1200T and
the 3000 that lives in the office to make the best of it :)

Chris Green
Technical Editor - Computing
VNU Business Publications, 32-34 Broadwick Street, London, W1A 2HG
..................................................................
Fax: +44 (0)207 316 9160      Email: chris_green@vnu.co.uk
ICQ: 10921400                 URL:   http://computing.vnunet.com
..................................................................

On 20-Oct-99, Ben Vost wrote:

> No, the radiation wasn't that bad, /AND YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!/ sorry,
> that was evil brain forcing my hands to write somethin /HAHAHA NO-ONE CAN
> STOP ME NOW!!!/ sorry, just happe /THE BLOOD OF SATAN WILL WASH YOUR HA/
> better go now...

Isn't evilness a sexually transmitted disease? AFAIK Rich was the only one
infected.... ;)

Mash - we may just get a more interresting front cover
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

What can you do with a chocolate covered manhole?

Kneel before me you pitiful beings!, kneel before your master!,
mwahahahahha. I just completed quake on nightmare level, will 100% kills
and secrets :)))))

...........on my 030! lol

Mash - Addicted to slideshows
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

Liberal = Lacking Intelligence But Eagerly Reducing American Liberty

On 19-Oct-99, Neil Bullock wrote:

>> 'i-glasses' weren't they called?

> Thems the ones. Anyone have any? I saw some on sale (in Escom I think, or
> perhaps it was 1st Comp Centre...). Either way, they were damn expensive.

I /think/ that Imagine uses them aswell....maybe....perhaps.....might
so....possibly....

Mash - Imagining
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

Truck pulls: for people that can't understand wrestling

Hi

After reading about everyone's tagedies on another mailing list I decided it
was about time I started backing up. (and put use to and IDE express 4 way
thingy I got for free) so rummaged around the bottom of my drawer and found
and old and very noisey 270meg drive laying about :) (even noisier when I
switched it on!) so now the questions,

1) Where can I get the addon thingy for my express?
2) is there any freeware (CD cover?) software which will copy specified
files to the new (old) drive on a regular basis?

Mash
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

Nine out of ten men who try Camels prefer women.

Hi M.
Somewhere around 20-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: Pure
evil genius. (Completly OT - Not to do with Amigas)

> Aww, I think it's rather sweet! Not evil in the slightest, I bet
> you've just gained a brother-in-law (and possibly nephews and neices :)
> from this 'prank'

Either that or 2 fat lips :()

Mash - 
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

"David Hume could out-consume Wilhelm Freidrich Hegel."

On 19-Oct-99, Neil Bullock wrote:

> Hence the new title of 'AFB Spammer of the month' with immediate effect?
> :)) I thought it was only Mr O'Neill who specialised in thousands of
> messages in a row :)

eh? I reply to whichever ones need replying to, for some reason they almost
always seem to be under the same subject. coincidence

> Guess I was wrong :))

obviously

Mash - I'm number 1, so why try harder?
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

Drop your carrier...We have you surrounded! 

Hello ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk

Yes, of course I will


> <html><table><tr><td><pre>
> 21.10.99 OS3.5 has now been released, but will you be buying it?
> (Final version, honest). Please answer by Monday morning when this
> poll will be closed for inclusion in this issue.

> ----

> Please select one of the following:

>   o Yes, I pre-ordered mine
>   o Yes, of course I will
>   o Yes, if I can get the money
>   o I'm not sure yet
>   o No, I'll pirate it
>   o No, I don't think it's worth the money
>   o No, the internet software isn't good enough


> by going to the following Web form:

>   http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=940519397120

> Thank you!

> </pre></td></tr></table>

> <hr><center>

> </center>

> AFB: All polls MUST have dates!


> </html>


Regards

According to Neil, there's something good going on and it's
something to do with [afb] Re: My new Email.

> >  What is my webpage address anyway?

> To answer your question, it's http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net.com

I found out by accident the other day you can also go to
http://www.business.u-net.com/~yourdomain , so in your case
http://www.business.u-net.com/~biffordyoungest/ should also work.

Are there any good reasons for not doing this Neil, apart from not
being able to explain the tilde (~) symbol easily?

> Neil

Paul C, skiing
-- 
... How is it possible to have a civil war?

What are you on about, Gaz Griffiths?

> That is the version I am using. Everything has been fine, up until a few days
> ago. Every time I receive a message, the Amiga crashes.

Probly no use, but WB went berzerk (not used that word for a long
time) with ICQ messages when I installed Birdie. Have you done this?

Within 5 minutes it was bye bye, Birdie...

Paul C, with tangerine trees and marmalade skies
-- 
... Q. Why are orchestral intermissions limited to 20 minutes?
    A. So you don't have to retrain the cellists.

I just read a /very/ interesting mail where you said about [afb] Re: AFCDfi=
nd:

> Hi Paul,

'ello again,

> > I have a 'couple' of suggestions for the excellent AFCDfind which I
> > think would be extremely useful=2E

> You've probably forgotten about this mail already,

Yep :)  I do remember it sort of now=2E

> but I thought I'd  just let you know that I've finally got around to
> providing a solution for the above cases=2E=20=20
> Anyway, you'll be able to see it on the next issue (AFCD47)=2E=2E=2E

Thanking you muchly=2E In fact this sounds so good, I've decided
whoever's name comes up next in my list of mails has to give you a
present worth at least =A310=2E And the name is=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E<=
drumroll>Matt
Sealey=2E Hmm=2E=2E=2E

>  *Oliver Roberts*=20

Paul C, with Eleanor Rigby
--=20
=2E=2E=2E Adult, n:
    One old enough to know better=2E

Hi Paul <paulc@lantik.u-net.com>,

On the 21-Oct-99 you muttered something about [afb] Re: StrICQ 0.1561 if I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?

> Probly no use, but WB went berzerk (not used that word for a long
> time) with ICQ messages when I installed Birdie. Have you done this?

No. i figured it out now. its something to do with my UIN. PC users have
experienced problems as well, with UIN's 'crashing' on them.

My new one is 5 something. its in my sig ;)

Cya d00d
GazChap.
-- 
 --           *Gareth Griffiths*:  gaz@jokerd.co.uk          --
--- Founder of *Joker Developments*: http://www.jokerd.co.uk ---
 --   *ICQ*:  52909563   *IRC*:  GazChap/#AmIRC (Undernet)     --

Half-time score: Dogs - 6, trespassers - 0

Hi Rob

> Yup, when you came back to the list after your hols you seemed to have
calmed
> >> down, but now you're back to the old arrogant, egotistical gobshite.
> >> :)
>
> >You forgot obnoxious... ;)
>
> Thanks Andy - wouldn't want to miss one...
> ;)

That reminds me.  When dear old Alan Clark died, did anyone read the quote
of someone describing him?  It read something like "he was an arrogant,
egotistical, obnoxious, ill-informed, opionated ... old man".  Not a single
word was nice :-)

Tatty byes
--
Alex Furmanski - a.furmanski@virgin.net
WWW: http://www.furmanskinet.connectfree.co.uk  *NEW URL*
ICQ - 51206302

This week's lie: The Falkland Islands are the worlds largest manufacturer of
prefabricated churches.

> > How come virus warnings travel around the globe several times yet my
pleas
> > for money go unread? I've heard this 'warning' hundreds of times over
the
>
> what pleas for money?

This one for a start.
--
Gareth Knight
Amiga Interactive Guide - http://welcome.to/aig

Frost <
> Escom did the i-Glasses, which would work as a headset. Very expensive,a
> lthough a lot cheaper now as second hand items.
IIRC Escom only sold the glasses in the European market. The company that
made them went bust in 1997. I can't remember exactly, I've got some stuff
in the Escom section of my site if anyone is interested.
--
Gareth Knight
Amiga Interactive Guide - http://aig.amiga.tm

MARRISR@uk.ibm.com>
> I was just wondering if any of the students on this list > have a similar
kinda thing at their college....
Staffordshire and Manchester University both have a similar set-up.
--
Gareth Knight
Amiga Interactive Guide - http://aig.amiga.tm

Chris Green nostalgiarised (TM):
> You should feel lucky mate - back when I was a fresher at SIAD, Internet
> access took the form of 6 Mac Classics sharing a single Pace 9,600 and a
> U-Net dial-up account!

Did you have to row across a lake to buy bread as well? ;)
--
Gareth Knight
Amiga Interactive Guide - http://welcome.to/aig

Is it me or do other free4all users download mail @500 cps?
-- 
DaveK
AMIGA 1200t-ppc +now Bvision!!!

On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:15:37 +0100, Phil Sell (pg.sell@ukonline.co.uk) wrote:
> Hello ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk
> 
> Yes, of course I will

Ummm,  Ithought the whole point of pools (and thus the explanatory text)
was so you went to the web page and voted!!!

I'll vote there too, but I pre-ordered as it happens ... and if the
internet software is crap, who cares?  I'm buying NC3 to go with my copy of
IB2.1, and i'll probably buy the full version of AWeb II too!

Kev

-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 14701124

Matthew O'Neill said, 

> On 20-Oct-99, MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

>>> Methinks you don't know who Neil Bothwick is. Arguing with the owner of
>>> an ISP about net software isn't the brightest idea ever, I must admit.

>> Methinks you should check who I was replying to before being so quick to
>> comment (it was Alan Buxey)...

> The reply was to Neil, his name was at the top, and it was his quotes you
> write under.

Rob is right, the reply was not to me (to Alan I think).

However, life would be easier if Rob's mailer either included and
attribution or an In-Reply-To: header, preferably both. As it is, it's
impossible to see who he was replying to without scanning all previous
messages with the same subject.


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - Connected via Wirenet
The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
http://www.wire.net.uk
-- 
I have plenty of talent and vision.  I just don't give a damn.

Matthew O'Neill said, 

> Hi Neil

>> So you want a free sub but not the free calls? In that case, try
>> freeswerve...

> nooo, I want a subscription service and free calls which still count when
> you aren't using BT. An 01582 isp on an NTL server would be nice, free
> calls off peak :) pity there are none :(

0800 is free with any landline telco.


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - Connected via Wirenet
The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
http://www.wire.net.uk
-- 
"Bother," said Pooh, when his spliff went out.

On 21 Oct 99 19:09:37 +0000, Paul Cundle (paulc@lantik.u-net.com) wrote:
> According to Neil, there's something good going on and it's
> something to do with [afb] Re: My new Email.
> 
> > >  What is my webpage address anyway?
> 
> > To answer your question, it's http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net.com
> 
> I found out by accident the other day you can also go to
> http://www.business.u-net.com/~yourdomain , so in your case
> http://www.business.u-net.com/~biffordyoungest/ should also work.
> 
> Are there any good reasons for not doing this Neil, apart from not
> being able to explain the tilde (~) symbol easily?

Ummm, it's easy to explain the tilde, innit?  You say "tilde."  It's what
unix used to denote direct paths user ID's root directories or some such.
I can't remember offhand but I think that under unix if you type

cd ~userid

you do a CD to that userid's home directory.  Therefore it makes sense to
use that on the web too!

Kev

PS  This is based on my vague memories of unix from when I was at uni over
2 years ago. 

-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 14701124

Hi,

I know I'm famous for my crashes and unstability, but this is getting silly.
Has anyone ever had a recoverable alert attached to EVERY damn keypress?
That's what I'm struggling along with at the moment... hmmm

Neil - nice tagline :)

 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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 / Website: http://www.trogsoft.co.uk     /  Recovery:2190  [#.........]  /
 / IRC: irc.afternet.org - #trogsoft      /  Command Centre [########..]  /
 / trogladite@trogsoft.freeserve.co.uk    /  -NEW- TTrash   [#.........]  /
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  Admit nothing!  Deny everything!  Blame the Moderator!

Hi Gareth,

> Staffordshire and Manchester University both have a similar set-up.

Really ?  Thats interesting as far as I know UMIST postgrads didn't
have last year (I wasn't in halls but I think it would have been
mentioned by someone :-))  If Manchester Uni have it and UMIST doesn't
there will some very unhappy folk.

Carl
Accy, Lancs.

On Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 11:31:41PM +0000, Carl Berry wrote:
> Hi Gareth,
> 
> > Staffordshire and Manchester University both have a similar set-up.
> 
> Really ?  Thats interesting as far as I know UMIST postgrads didn't
> have last year (I wasn't in halls but I think it would have been
> mentioned by someone :-))  If Manchester Uni have it and UMIST doesn't
> there will some very unhappy folk.

Reasonably reliable sources tell me that they do (in Wright-Robinson,
anyway), so I assume it depends on where you're living.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

>From: amipal@yahoo.com
>Reply-To: afb@egroups.com
>To: afb@eGroups.com
>Subject: [afb] Voyager (still!)
>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 02:22:26 -0700
>
>Back to this subject again!
>
>V3 *doesn't* lay out AFB properly. I've tried IBrowse (1.2 demo!), and
>it does. Nevertheless, I still use V2 to access this site, and have
>lots of fun trying to read it amongst messed up tables!
>
>Paul
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>AFB: All polls MUST have dates!
>
>
>
Hi Paul,

V3 does not lay out AFB properly. I've tried Netscape and IE
and also had found troubles with tables...

I had found that Voyager2.96.7 and also Voyager3-Pre4,
makes a mess displaying the egroups messages if you
use the correct EGroups Site Address:

http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/32688.html?

But if you use the following Address (changing only
www for pix):

http://pix.egroups.com/group/afb/32688.html?

Egroups Display all Messages OK using Voyager 2.96.7
and the New V3-Pre4.

I really don't know what is happening, but it Works!.
Anyone on the list knows???

I think that the problem is with the Egroups-Site, and not
with Voyager3..

All the best,

Ulises.


______________________________________________________

Paul Cundle said, 

> According to Neil, there's something good going on and it's
> something to do with [afb] Re: My new Email.

>> To answer your question, it's http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net.com

> I found out by accident the other day you can also go to
> http://www.business.u-net.com/~yourdomain , so in your case
> http://www.business.u-net.com/~biffordyoungest/ should also work.

> Are there any good reasons for not doing this Neil, apart from not
> being able to explain the tilde (~) symbol easily?

No reason at all. This is the actual address of your webspace, i.e. your
user directory on the webserver. All www.domain.u-net.com domains
resolve to the same IP address, the server uses the Host: HTTP header
to work out which directory to use. The new style domains are generally
more convenient, but are effectively an alias to the original address.

In fact the original address is http://www.personal.u-net.com/~yourdomain
but some people using their web space for business felt this looked bad,
so business.u-net.com was aliased to personal.u-net.com.

Incidentally, U-NET were actually the first UK ISP to offer free web
space, back when the web was only a small part of the Internet. They
initially offered the staggering amount of 100KB of space, although this
was soon upgraded to half a meg.


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - Connected via Wirenet
The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
http://www.wire.net.uk
-- 
The man who dies with the most toys is dead.

Matthew O'Neill said, 

> 2) is there any freeware (CD cover?) software which will copy specified
> files to the new (old) drive on a regular basis?

ABackup, it's the best of the freeware backup programs.


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - Connected via Wirenet
The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
http://www.wire.net.uk
-- 
Windows Error #56:  Operator fell asleep while waiting.

Hi Neil,

> I know I'm famous for my crashes and unstability, but this is getting silly.
> Has anyone ever had a recoverable alert attached to EVERY damn keypress?
> That's what I'm struggling along with at the moment... hmmm

See. There is a God. You are now paying for your sins big time. 
Sealey will back me up on this one. Amigas are like cats. They either
like you or they hate you with a vengeance. And, if I'm not
mistaken, you've got vengeance on acid there.

I'd give it a saucer of milk and a ball of wool. You might just get
lucky  ;)

Cheers,

Eddie

Hi Neal,

> I thought it had been decided, years ago, that "time shifting" (taping a
> programme to watch later) wasn't copyright theft.

Yeah, but that's the problem. I've had a video recorder since the
early eighties when there was always that phrase "remember, some
programmes may be subject to copyright law" implying there was a
chance you could possibly be prosecuted for taping something off the
telly. Obviously that's a ridiculous law, so it was always going to be
dropped at some stage, as it's damn near unenforceable. The problem
then shifts to copying prerecorded videos onto blank tapes. But, these
days, virtually all movies released on video (to buy) will now turn up
on cable / satellite around the same time. So it then becomes
pointless prosecuting people copying tapes when the same films can be
taped off a satellite channel (as you say, time shifting isn't
copyright theft anymore). From here, it's only a short step to
downloading current films over a telephone line and distributing
copies to your mates (we're not quite there yet, but it's not far off)
The film and distribution companies are currently crapping themselves
at the thought of all that lost revenue, which they're pretty
powerless to do anything about, because that's the nature of video -
to tape stuff for viewing at a later date. The point I made is still a
valid one.  Taping stuff off the TV isn't much different from copying
a piece of software. The difference being videorecorders are made
specifically for that purpose, thus shooting the Hollywood money
machine firmly in the foot at the same time (they actually considered,
in videos early days, making machines that could playback tapes only,
removing the record option)

The more technology improves things, the worse it becomes for the
companies releasing their film product. Something's gonna have to
change pretty soonish if the video/DVD companies want to keep making a
profit because at some stage they'll be fighting a losing battle
(if they're not already). In contrast although piracy in the computer
industry is as bad, if not more so, it's certainly not tolerated in
the same manner. You ask for the serial number to that Cinema 4D
coverdisk you picked up in a job lot, and the person supplying it will
be lynched if caught out. Ask to borrow the video recording of last
nights pay per view movie on Sky Box Office and no one will bat an
eyelid.

I'm not complaining about this state of affairs regarding cinema
(hell, I'll take my movies as cheap as I can get 'em, as long as it's
legal) - I'm just surprised by peoples general acceptance about the
way things are in this area when, in anything else (i.e. Amiga
software)  it would be regarded as unacceptable. Video and it's
offshoots have become piracy made legal, simply because it couldn't
have gone any other way. That's why Macrovision and the like sprang
up. It's the only possible way they could fight a problem that's
really of their own making.

Hmm, I'll stop now while the beer's still working its magic...

Cheers,

Eddie (who thinks there was a point to all of that, but forgot what it
was halfway through typing it up !)

Hi Mash,

> Kneel before me you pitiful beings!, kneel before your master!,
> mwahahahahha. I just completed quake on nightmare level, will 100% kills
> and secrets :)))))

:)

> ...........on my 030! lol

...on a 030 ?!?  Hmm, and was that with or without God mode?  ;)

Cheers,

Eddie (I've done Malice... all levels, including the secret ones...
with the monitor switched off)
 

Hello stephen@scooby.freewire.co.uk

On 21-Oct-99, you wrote:

> Dear All,
> 
> I'm hoping some of you might have some suggestions or ideas about this.
> 
> After exactly 6 months and 8 days of faithful service my Blizzard 603e+
> @160MHz/040 appears to have packed in.  My SCSI interface is not
> working, the card is not recognised in the boot menu expansion board
> diagnostic, my BVision is not displaying anything, my 32Mb of RAM is
> gone, BUT THE 040 IS STILL BEING RECOGNISED BY MY AMIGA!!!  The strange
> thing was that it was working one minute, but a soft reboot later it
> had failed!  The only thing I can think of doing was that I held down
> "s" to disable the SCSI interface at the time, but otherwise was doing
> nothing unusual.  There were no problems leading up to the incident
> that I can recall.
> 
> I phoned Eyetech where I got it from, but they only provide technical
> support between 12:15 and 13:30 Mon-Fri, so I'll need to wait till
> tomorrow to try them again.  The worrying thing, is that you only get a
> 6 month warranty on these boards, and IIRC they've stopped making them
> now, so the chances of getting a replacement if it is faulty will be
> slim at best.  It's at times like this when expensive stuff goes wrong
> that I sometimes wish I had a Mac or PC :-(  I'm also now stuck with an
> 020 and 2Mb chip ram, with no other accelerator to plug my SIMS into. 
> Using my Amiga is a slow and painful process at the moment, and I'm
> forced to use my work laptop to enter this message using the Web, since
> there's no Outlook installed, and our IT system doesn't allow us to
> install extra applications on our work machines.
> 
> If anybody has any similar experiences, or suggestions that they could
> share, I would be eternally grateful.
> 

hmm sounds like your ppc flash rom has become corrupted, you could try re
flashing the board to see if that helps.

> Regards,
> 
> Stephen Webber
> stephen@scooby.freewire.co.uk
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> AFB: All polls MUST have dates!
> 
> 
> 
Regards
-- 
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Mitsumi CDR >>> PPC Power Rocks <<<
Doing 787 KKeys for the Amiga RC5 Teams. 
ICQ 47159499

marris-@uk.ibm.com wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=31675

I Do I Do I Do!!!! 
LOL *)

John
 
> 
> >> 1) Anyone with a 500 isn't going to have the oomph to run 3.5. I
thought the
> >> winging 500 owners had died years ago!
> 
> > this is where false assumtions are made. there are plenty of A500
people
> > who have higher specs than the average A1200 owner. 28MHz 020s,
030's
> > and 040's are out there...certainly matching the os3.5 requirement
> 
> Oh really.  Where did your figure of "plenty" come from?
> Quick survey (too small for a poll - I'm not expecting many replies)
- anyone
> who still uses a sooped up A500 raise your hand (ok, mail us)
> 
> Rob "I doubt it" M
> 
> 

Hi all
  Sorry to those who have received this twice.
I have been looking for a descent Skydigital listings magazine and got
reccommended http://www.digiguide.co.uk
  I went and had a look to find that it is a windows app.  However
they are running a Poll (we Amiga owners seem to love Polls ;0)) for
porting ideas.  Anyway, getting to the point, I wrote and asked about
an Amiga port and this is the reply I received

Thanks for your email Philip

I will ask the developers about whether this is possible. Considering I used
to work for Digita for many years, I am sure design would not be a problem
having designed Wordworth, Datastore, Organiser and others. ;-)

Our only issue would be the number of users who would use the product
considering the latest news on the Amiga/Gateway debacle (i.e. managers and
so on leaving).

Maybe you could put a suggestion on the forums
(http://www.digiguide.co.uk/forum/) and then get other Amiga users to join
in, we will then see what feedback we get before putting a vote on the site.

Keep the feedback coming.

Regards
Dan Petitt

 I am not sure how many ppl have sky digital here, but if you are
interested in a port then perhaps you could wander along to the site
and give your support? 

Peace
Zanthras
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".nospamformethankyou" from the address before sending or Click below
to reply: mailto:zanthras@ukonline.co.uk 
<><
 Amiga Computers
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{SNIP}
> > > this is where false assumtions are made. there are plenty of A500
> people
> > > who have higher specs than the average A1200 owner. 28MHz 020s,
> 030's
> > > and 040's are out there...certainly matching the os3.5 requirement
> >
> > Oh really.  Where did your figure of "plenty" come from?
> > Quick survey (too small for a poll - I'm not expecting many replies)
> - anyone
> > who still uses a sooped up A500 raise your hand (ok, mail us)
> >
> > Rob "I doubt it" M

Actually, I've got a souped up A500 (It's not my primary Amiga, but it's
souped)  :)

Regards,
Jack

Help!!

Every-one is telling me to download different things for linux. Can
someone tell me what to download and from where. I am totaly new to
linux so i guess there will be a lot to download so could you also
suggest some good ftp sites as well as web sites. I need a version that
will work with a 68EC020 1200 with 8mb of ram but no fpu or mmu.

               thanks again
                         necronlord

  Im new to linux and would appreciate it if someone could tell me
where to get all the files. Ive searched http://www.linux-m68k.org to
no avail, please help

-- 
  Cheerio

  ICQ #38639804

On 21-Oct-99 23:26:38, Dave (davekelly@free4all.co.uk) wrote:

>Is it me or do other free4all users download mail @500 cps?

I think its you, I just downloaded mine (over 100 mails) at ~2500cps (on
08450880031). I don't think using MD2 helps, I always found it slower than
Thor or Yam.

Keep your eye on our website over the next few weeks for news of service
improvements (don't know if I can say more).


Regards,

Andy

(sills@free4all.co.uk)

On Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 05:37:55PM +0100, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Comment! Thanks!

Looks good :) Nice clean interface, minimal JS to add touches... I like it..

BTW The dilbert link is going to the neko link :(

And what's with the comment "I know the links in the link bar don't work"?
I couldn't find anything that didn't work..
> (do you think I went ott with the exclamations?)

Yes

l8r

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Hi 

Thanks for your mail I am on holiday until the 1st November I will respond to your mail when I return.

Thanks

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Hey Gaz

> > It's crashing for the most part because it's beta software,
> > and it's EXPECTED to crash. Does it crash with .13xx or
> > whatever the last normal release was?
> 
> The fact being that its never crashed before. I also have 
> another installation of StrICQ (same version) that works
> fine. I use that at the  moment, but I want to know why
> this one crashes all the time.

Errmm... you've confused me now. You have two StrICQ installs
and one works but the other doesn't?

Why don't you just stick to the working one, and delete the
crashing one?

> > I suppose the BEST thing to do would be to install ICQ on
> > a PC and delete the messages from there.
> 
> True, but what about when I get anoher message ;)

Then chances are that it may not crash - I was thinking someone
might have sent you a screwy message which was crashing StrICQ.
Deleting it may help.
 
> > Otherwise, deleting the entire StrICQ directory and reinstalling
> > from scratch wouldn't do any harm, at least then it wouldn't
> > be an installation problem. 1 down, many to go :)
> 
> I'm about to do that, after noting down my contacts ;)

:)

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> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > Not the point, the fact that Richard came out and proved 
> > him wrong sorta made it pointless. Steffen knows StormC
> > is shite - or more precisely he
> 
> no, its the fact that StormC wasnt reviewed correctly against vbcc
> ..yes, it gets big bonus points because its free, but StormC has a lot
> more going for it

StormC was reviewed correctly. In 68k performance tests VBCC thrashed
it. Stef took offence at this citing that PPC performance on StormC
would be better, and Richard proved him wrong.

Which is better, StormC or VBCC?

The answer, through thorough testing on the part of Richard Drummond,
is VBCC and no mistake.

Read the articles :)

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> Hi,
> 
> I know I'm famous for my crashes and unstability, but this is 
> getting silly. Has anyone ever had a recoverable alert attached
> to EVERY damn keypress? That's what I'm struggling along with
> at the moment... hmmm

Send me your S:startup-sequence, user-startup, do

list sys:wbstartup all >T:feckarsedrink 

and send me the output, plus versions of all the utils you use
in those startups (if they aren't the latest - upgrade)

I'll sort it out, for I am the master at this, thrice proven
on AFB and twice proven on IRC :)

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----Original Message-----
From: Chris Green <editor@amigainsight.com>
To: afb@egroups.com <afb@egroups.com>
Date: 21 October 1999 16:36
Subject: RE: [afb] Re: OS3.5

>Hi Alan
>
>>
>> Amiga sent them all out at once on Tuesday
>
>But have you got yours yet Alan? I along with many others on the list have
>pre-ordered from your firm and are dying to know when we'll get our grubby
>hands on our copies of 3.5.


Yes we have - and started sending out back orders yesterday in chronological
order of order placement.

>
Alan


Eyetech Group Ltd
The Old Bank
12 West Green
Stokesley, North Yorkshire
TS9 5BB  UK

On Fri, Oct 22, 1999 at 09:28:37AM +0100, Sealey, M. wrote:

> I'll sort it out, for I am the master at this, thrice proven
> on AFB and twice proven on IRC :)

I was tempted to change the subject line, but on reflection I think that it
is quite accurate :)

l8r

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> and send me the output, plus versions of all the utils you use
> in those startups (if they aren't the latest - upgrade)
> 
> I'll sort it out, for I am the master at this, thrice proven
> on AFB and twice proven on IRC :)
> 

Alright then :) Although I bet it crashes when I'm doing one of those
things. While on the subject of weird behaviour, what patches the system so
that no matter where you press Shift + Del in a gadtools string, it deletes
the entire contents? Is it Visual Prefs? And how do I disable it?

Neil

> > and send me the output, plus versions of all the utils you use
> > in those startups (if they aren't the latest - upgrade)
> > 
> > I'll sort it out, for I am the master at this, thrice proven
> > on AFB and twice proven on IRC :)

> Alright then :) Although I bet it crashes when I'm doing one of those
> things. While on the subject of weird behaviour, what patches the system
so
> that no matter where you press Shift + Del in a gadtools string, it
deletes
> the entire contents? Is it Visual Prefs? And how do I disable it?

That's MCP I think, although there are others.

Send me your configs (privately!) and I'll sift through them for you. I'll
soon find out what's wrong (and remove some stuff that's BOUND to explode)

Neko

Hi Phil,

> Hello ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk

> Yes, of course I will


>> <html><table><tr><td><pre>
>> 21.10.99 OS3.5 has now been released, but will you be buying it?
>> (Final version, honest). Please answer by Monday morning when this
>> poll will be closed for inclusion in this issue.

I think you have the wrong end of the stick Phil, you're supposed to go to
the website and register your vote. I trust everyone else has done already?
This will be the next poll in the afb page in AF, so I would really like to
have a decent level of response for once...

All the best,
-- 
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Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Got a request to make for our CD? Send email to 
afcdsubs@futurenet.co.uk, subject: "Reader Requests"

Hi,

Did anybody read the required system specs for the new voyager, as
written in the docs you download with the demo (pasted below), and
think hmm, I can use this on my A2000, then find out that they lied?

     System Requirements
     Minimum               Recommended 
     2MB of free memory     4MB of free memory 
     5MB hard drive space  10MB hard drive space 
     68000 processor       68020 processor 
     Workbench 2.0         Workbench 3.0 
     ECS chipset           AGA chipset 
     MUI v3.8              MUI 3.8


Voyager comes up with this error message:

Error: Voyager 3.0.26 (10.10.99) requires an
Amiga System equipped with
  OS 3.0 or higher
Please obtain a version
suitable for your system.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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***  DO  NOT  SEND  JUNK  MAIL  *** 

/me Imitates Kylie from a Kylie and Jason record

"Especially for Matt..."

Check out this - available next month...

http://www.schatztruhe.de/softe/auc.html

He asks, someone else delivers....and without a freebie from AF - hurrah!

:)
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Hi folks.

Matt, this little posting is especially for you - seeing how you
complained I didnt have a web page :)

Jump on over to:

http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net/home.html

Theres only the front page ATM, but Ive got a counter up, and by the
end of the day there should be a guestbook (Ive registered - just dint
note down the connection address :( )

Tell me what you think on the basis that its the first piece of coding
and web site (setting) that Ive ever done.

Bifford the Youngest.

>=20
> /me Imitates Kylie from a Kylie and Jason record
>=20
> "Especially for Matt..."
>=20
> Check out this - available next month...
>=20
> http://www.schatztruhe.de/softe/auc.html
>=20
> He asks, someone else delivers....and without a freebie from=20
> AF - hurrah!

Oooh :)

Pity.. I can't see me buying it, 'cos it isn't Debian
(I'm a bit of a Debian freak) and it's =A325 for Unices
I'll never use - I might use the 68k ones, but LinuxAPUS
will be pretty lost on my 030 or my BoXeR (for now..)
and if I did use a 68k one it'd be NetBSD, which means
I have two CDs full of Linux..

Ah, I might get it. Or I might just download debian
onto a Zip disk :)
=20
--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

hi,

> After exactly 6 months and 8 days of faithful service my Blizzard 603e+
> @160MHz/040 appears to have packed in.  My SCSI interface is not
> working, the card is not recognised in the boot menu expansion board
> diagnostic, my BVision is not displaying anything, my 32Mb of RAM is
> gone, BUT THE 040 IS STILL BEING RECOGNISED BY MY AMIGA!!!  The strange
> thing was that it was working one minute, but a soft reboot later it
> had failed!  The only thing I can think of doing was that I held down
> "s" to disable the SCSI interface at the time, but otherwise was doing
> nothing unusual.  There were no problems leading up to the incident
> that I can recall.

well, if it has died...the best hope that you have is that its just a
resistor that has failed....although theres only a 6mth warranty, you
can still get it repaired. 
 
you say the 040 is still recognised? Maybe the SIMM has died? the PPC
cant operate without the FastRAM iirc.

btw, i dont think any of the Phase5 cards get detected in the bootmenu
expansion card diagnotic 

alan

Hello Tudor

On 22-Oct-99, you wrote:

> Check out this - available next month...
> 
> http://www.schatztruhe.de/softe/auc.html

Looks interesting . . .

But the Debian 68k distro is miles better than Redhat. I'm still waiting for
'potato' to ripen so I can get a decent Linux PPC. 

Cheers,
Rich

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mailto: richard.drummond@futurenet.co.uk
pgp   : http://www.drummond.u-net.com/download/richards_key.asc
phone : +44 (0)1225 442244 ext 2417

hi,

> I've gotta get a new drive soon, my 1.3gig is full and there is phenomina=
l
> amounts of critical data on the sucker, I'll shove everything onto the ne=
w
> drive and use the old one as backup. Anyone recommend a good drive?

i'd recommend the Fujitsu drives.

> anything around =A3100 will do, no frills needed. I have a tape drive wit=
h
> 1gig of tapes, but it wont work :( on the back it has 2 ports, 1 labelled
> parallel and one serial (big amiga styleee) but have no idea if it'll eve=
r
> work :P

could it be...that at last..someone uses the mythical MagTape command??
;-)

alan

On 21 Oct 1999, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> I thought it had been decided, years ago, that "time shifting" (taping a
> programme to watch later) wasn't copyright theft.

yes..that was the purpose of them anyway. you just cant give your tapes
to anyone else to view...or record

alan

> Hi folks.
> 
> Matt, this little posting is especially for you - seeing how you
> complained I didnt have a web page :)
> 
> Jump on over to:
> 
> http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net/home.html

^^ HTTP 500 Internal Server Error

http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net.com/home.html

You mean :)

> Theres only the front page ATM, but Ive got a counter up, and by the
> end of the day there should be a guestbook (Ive registered - just dint
> note down the connection address :( )
> 
> Tell me what you think on the basis that its the first piece of coding
> and web site (setting) that Ive ever done.

It's crap, but as a first attempt it's quite nice I suppose. </sarcasm>

I have noticed the following GLARING errors that you should fix ASAP:

Line 22: You start a CENTER tag without finishing the last one. Add a /
Line 32: What the HELL is that? Replace entire line with <HR>

Plus CENTER and RIGHT are Netscape extensions, you should be using
<DIV ALIGN="CENTER">text</DIV> for real HTML.

Plus you haven't put a DTD at the top. (see my site for an example)

And HTML validator at..
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net.com/
.. tells me that:

Line 6: BGCOLOUR is not a real attribute, think American (BGCOLOR)
Line 41: No ALT tag on your counter

Plus I think you should get into the habit of putting quotes around
ALL HTML attributes, so you'll be doing

<BODY BGCOLOR="white" TEXT="black"> and <IMG WIDTH="50"> whether it
needs it or not, otherwise you'll fall over a LOT later.

In the mean time, check out a REAL website!

http://www.neko.u-net.com 

Hand coded by little elves and a troop of trained kittens :)

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On 21 Oct 1999, Dave wrote:

> Is it me or do other free4all users download mail @500 cps?

well, everytime i've connected to free4all i've only got a 19200
connection :-|


alan

hi,

> Ummm, it's easy to explain the tilde, innit?  You say "tilde."  It's what
> unix used to denote direct paths user ID's root directories or some such.
> I can't remember offhand but I think that under unix if you type

errr, *we* al know what it means...he was talking about non computer
users.... i've said tilde to several people who looked at me blankly
(and did a wonderful Goldfish impression for a second or two)

8-)

alan

On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Matthew Garrett wrote:

> Reasonably reliable sources tell me that they do (in Wright-Robinson,
> anyway), so I assume it depends on where you're living.

aye. for some reason they give nice network capable rooms to 1st year
undergrads who dont use it (and spend their time drinking, clubbing,
shagging and missing lectures)...whereas finalists and postgrads end up
in damp private rented accomodation having to wire up their own home
network connected to one Linux box gateway with a 56k modem stuck on it.
:-|

alan

> hi,
> 
> > Ummm, it's easy to explain the tilde, innit?  You say 
> > "tilde."  It's what unix used to denote direct paths user
> > ID's root directories or some such. I can't remember
> > offhand but I think that under unix if you type
> 
> errr, *we* al know what it means...he was talking about non computer
> users.... i've said tilde to several people who looked at me blankly
> (and did a wonderful Goldfish impression for a second or two)

:o

I just say 'tilde' and when they look at me in a blank manner,
I say 'wavy line' and when they STILL look at me blankly I
reach over their shoulder and do SHIFT-# and say 'TILDE' in
a slightly irate way.

They usually get the point :)

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University of Leicester

Hi Matt

On 22-Oct-99, you wrote:
 
> StormC was reviewed correctly. In 68k performance tests VBCC thrashed
> it. Stef took offence at this citing that PPC performance on StormC
> would be better, and Richard proved him wrong.
> 
> Which is better, StormC or VBCC?
> 
> The answer, through thorough testing on the part of Richard Drummond,
> is VBCC and no mistake.
> 
> Read the articles :)

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Matt, but the testing wasn't that
exhaustive. ;)

The article was my opinion, other people may and can disagree. What I look
for in a compiler above all is quality code generation and (for the Amiga)
support for all those nasty non-ANSI Amiga-isms. StormC doesn't quite cut
it on either. 

If the IDE were any good, I would be prepared to over look this, but it's
not. HiSoft C's graphical environment is SO much better.

StormC is not a bad product, but I just don't think its worth the money.

I do like VBCC. I know it's rough around the edges, but it's still new and
it's free. I can stand a little hair-pulling to save myself all that dosh.

Cheers,
Rich

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mailto: richard.drummond@futurenet.co.uk
pgp   : http://www.drummond.u-net.com/download/richards_key.asc
phone : +44 (0)1225 442244 ext 2417

> > Reasonably reliable sources tell me that they do (in 
> > Wright-Robinson, anyway), so I assume it depends on
> > where you're living.
> 
> aye. for some reason they give nice network capable rooms to 1st year
> undergrads who dont use it (and spend their time drinking, clubbing,
> shagging and missing lectures)

:) They do it on purpose, just to rub it in. While you're there
sitting with your modem downloading whatever you download VERY slowly,
they're sitting with some fantastic babe, pissed out of their faces,
with an ethernet socket.

"Ya boo to you, Alan!" is what they're saying. Don't you think you
should get out more? :P

> ...whereas finalists and postgrads end up in damp private rented
> accomodation having to wire up their own home network connected
> to one Linux box gateway with a 56k modem  stuck on it.

:) Bloody students, eh?

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Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> machine firmly in the foot at the same time (they actually considered,
> in videos early days, making machines that could playback tapes only,
> removing the record option)

err, you can actually buy these -they're around 20-30 ukp cheaper than
the recordable option.
 
> the same manner. You ask for the serial number to that Cinema 4D
> coverdisk you picked up in a job lot, and the person supplying it will
> be lynched if caught out. Ask to borrow the video recording of last
> nights pay per view movie on Sky Box Office and no one will bat an
> eyelid.

this is also mainly due to the fact that the program was broadcast.
whereas the software is privately sold - with an end user agreement
 
alan

PS if you want that coverdisk serialnumber..... ;-)

> Hi Matt
>=20
> On 22-Oct-99, you wrote:
> =20
> > StormC was reviewed correctly. In 68k performance tests=20
> > VBCC thrashed it. Stef took offence at this citing that
> > PPC performance on StormC would be better, and Richard
> > proved him wrong.
> >=20
> > Which is better, StormC or VBCC?
> >=20
> > The answer, through thorough testing on the part of Richard=20
> > Drummond, is VBCC and no mistake.
> >=20
> > Read the articles :)
>=20
> Thanks for the vote of confidence, Matt, but the testing wasn't that
> exhaustive. ;)

Exhaustive enough to convince me :) Whack a bunch of statistics
in front of me and I'll beleive every word. That's what having
an A-Level in the damn subject does to you :)

> The article was my opinion, other people may and can  disagree.
> What I look for in a compiler above all is quality code
> generation and (for the Amiga) support for all those nasty
> non-ANSI Amiga-isms. StormC doesn't quite cut it on either.=20

Agreed.

> If the IDE were any good, I would be prepared to over look=20
> this, but it's not. HiSoft C's graphical environment is SO
> much better.

But it's so clunky though, and it makes really bad code :)

> StormC is not a bad product, but I just don't think its worth=20
> the money.

Well if the StormC DSK was =A3100 cheaper it might be, just
because you get all that stuff with it. Then again..
=20
> I do like VBCC. I know it's rough around the edges, but it's=20
> still new and it's free. I can stand a little hair-pulling to
> save myself all that dosh.

.. VBCC *is* free, it *is* pretty much SAS/C for the millenium,
and it produces some neat code (and will compile for i386, DEC
and PPC processors!)..

I'll do you a deal, Rich - you do all the hair pulling and we'll
go out and advocate VBCC together when you get my copy working :)

--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester=20

On 22 Oct 1999, Philip Meason wrote:

> I will ask the developers about whether this is possible. Considering I used
> to work for Digita for many years, I am sure design would not be a problem
> having designed Wordworth, Datastore, Organiser and others. ;-)

okay - i'm on that web site today :-)

please, can everyone go there in a prolonged period...if 300 Amigans
turn up in a day, they'll suspect :-)
 
..done.

I'd like to see it have all the features of the PC version.


alan

On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 necronlord@totalise.co.uk wrote:

> suggest some good ftp sites as well as web sites. I need a version that
> will work with a 68EC020 1200 with 8mb of ram but no fpu or mmu.

no MMU = no Linux.

theres a version that runs withno FPU, but Linux *needs* the MMU

alan

On 22 Oct 1999, Neil Dearing wrote:

>   Im new to linux and would appreciate it if someone could tell me
> where to get all the files. Ive searched http://www.linux-m68k.org to
> no avail, please help

what???

you obviously didnt read the page...otherwise you'd see the little
section that says...

6.Getting Linux -- FTP Sites that have Linux/m68k-related materials.
CD-ROMs are covered in the FAQ and on the Distributions page.

from this, you can go to at least 4 FTP sites containing Linux kernel,
and Debian and RedHat Linux versions

alan 

hi,

> StormC was reviewed correctly. In 68k performance tests VBCC thrashed
> it. Stef took offence at this citing that PPC performance on StormC
> would be better, and Richard proved him wrong.

if a review of a C compiler means  ' get some small CPU intensive loop
that doesnt really use the AmigaOS and test its size and speed' then i'd
rather not even see the review

alan

On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Tim Seifert wrote:

> Amiga System equipped with
>   OS 3.0 or higher
> Please obtain a version
> suitable for your system.

you havent got at least os3.0? 

welcome to the 90's!!

alan

> > StormC was reviewed correctly. In 68k performance tests 
> > VBCC thrashed it. Stef took offence at this citing that
> > PPC performance on StormC would be better, and Richard
> > proved him wrong.
> 
> if a review of a C compiler means  ' get some small CPU intensive loop
> that doesnt really use the AmigaOS and test its size and 
> speed' then i'd rather not even see the review

I think Rich did Dhrystones, and 'Twister' which rotates a graphic
around 360 degrees and displays it as fast as it can.

Pretty good tests overall, and Twister uses AmigaOS I think..

There were others. Read the review and find out :)

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University of Leicester

hi,

> http://www.schatztruhe.de/softe/auc.html

I must say...this looks quite good :-)
 
alan

On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 biffordyoungest@hotmail.com wrote:

> http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net/home.html

http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net.com/home.html
 

alan

On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Ah, I might get it. Or I might just download debian
> onto a Zip disk :)

Debian 2.1 onto a ZIP????   mmmwaah hah hah hah!!

alan

On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Richard Drummond wrote:

> But the Debian 68k distro is miles better than Redhat. I'm still waiting for
> 'potato' to ripen so I can get a decent Linux PPC. 

well, th only sad part is the versions of the software supplied...i mean
LinuxPPC 4...ageing.  XFree 3.3.3  - when 3.3.5 is dated now and 3.4 is
out very soon...and KDE 1.0 - who's still using 1.0 ? ;-)

alan

On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Richard Drummond wrote:

> If the IDE were any good, I would be prepared to over look this, but it's
> not. HiSoft C's graphical environment is SO much better.

i can concurr with this - the stormC IDE is even worse than AMOS's ! ;-)
 
> I do like VBCC. I know it's rough around the edges, but it's still new and
> it's free. I can stand a little hair-pulling to save myself all that dosh.

well, now that the WOS version has been fixed (on aminet yesterday) it's
better - 0.8 might come out in time for christmas

alan

To anyone who's interested...
I've had big problems with an order I placed by e-mail from Epic
Marketing for the best of Gremlin CD.
Unfortunately when it arrived the CD was scratched so bad it was
unreadable. When I contacted Epic they decline to do anything about it
until I posted it back (at my expense).
Why ?
Because they said that people would pretend that the product was faulty
in order to get another for free. I pointed out that I have spent
several hundred dollars with them previously without a problem.
Their reply ?
None.
They've ignored my last four e-mails probably because they know I'm in
Australia and can't do anything about it.

Be careful who you spend your money with ............

Mike Jackson

> On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > Ah, I might get it. Or I might just download debian
> > onto a Zip disk :)
> 
> Debian 2.1 onto a ZIP????   mmmwaah hah hah hah!!

It is possible with the aid of many a file splitting
tool, and besides, the full thing is only about 250Mb
which is fine for a Zip250.. but then again, I don't
have a Zip250..

Then again, I get (uncased) Zip disks for free, so
I don't care what you say :)

It will be mine, oh yes :)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi all,

If you haven't done so yet, please vote in the two polls I've posted:

What score does a product need for you to buy it?
Will you be buying OS3.5?

before Monday since I'll be closing them both then. Both polls are
important, not least because they can be used to show that the Amiga market
isn't just full of loud-mouthed skinflints. If H&P reckon that they need
20,000 sales of OS3.5 to continue development and only 37 people could even
be bothered to vote in a poll devoted to the subject, it doesn't look good.

To make it even easier, here's a link directly to the poll page:

http://www.egroups.com/vote?method=displayallvotes&listname=afb

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)                T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'd like to change the world, but they won't give me 
the source code. (Even if /they/ did I don't program...)

<snip of everything>
Thanks Matt.  

Nice contructive stuff there...thanx.

I'm at Uni now so I'll have to see if I can edit it here otherwise
it'll have to wait till I get home :(

Hmm,  all that html was from AF and CU pages... but ive made a print
out of your comments so expect revisions..

bifford the Youngest.

> Plus you haven't put a DTD at the top. (see my site for an example)
> 
> And HTML validator at..
> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net.co
m/
> .. tells me that:

Whats a DTD Matt?
And where can I get a HTML validator from?

Whats the best web page creator available (I got webplug off aminet but
it looks a little tecqnical for me.)

Oh, and how come the counter doent work in Netscape when it works on my
Miggy?
-have to look into that one.

Bifford the Youngest.

Hello Chris

On 21-Oct-99, Chris Green wrote:
> 
> I've pre-ordered from Eyetech, and I've just finished upgrading my 1200T and
> the 3000 that lives in the office to make the best of it :)

Hmm, you'll be putting OS3.5 on both of your machines then?
Which leads me to the question - have you ordered two copies (one for each
machine)? Otherwise, can you install one copy on as many machines as you
like, or do you need (legally) to buy a seperate copy/licence for each
machine?

Cheers.
-- 
 James Luscombe                   Amiga 3000T, 030/25, Picasso IV
 james@jackle.demon.co.uk         Amiga 1200, 040/40

 BBSing's like sex, except for not wanting to get off.

>>> Methinks you don't know who Neil Bothwick is. Arguing with the owner of
>>> an ISP about net software isn't the brightest idea ever, I must admit.

>> Methinks you should check who I was replying to before being so quick to
>> comment (it was Alan Buxey)...

> The reply was to Neil, his name was at the top, and it was his quotes you
> write under.

Read the mail below - it's the reply Alan sent to my mail saying he asked a
rhetorical question (snipped) - so do me a favour and stay off my back, OK?

Rob "just the *facts*" M


"Alan L.M. Buxey" <kcci1@central.susx.ac.uk> on 10/18/99 01:37:09 PM

Please respond to afb@egroups.com

To:   afb@egroups.com
cc:    (bcc: Robert Marris/UK/Contr/IBM)
Subject:  [afb] Re: AF130 - Month in view





> > you want me to run through the feature list of Miami Deluxe and compare
> > it to the Win32 and MacOS stacks??
>
> Well you seem to think you're some sort of expert so yes.

it was a rhetorical question. I think if you go through the features
you'll know what it does that the native win32 and MacOS stacks dont do
(or have) - and why people have to install 3rd party TCPIP additions and
fixes
.
.
.
.
.

> > Plus you haven't put a DTD at the top. (see my site for an example)
> > 
> > And HTML validator at..
> > http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net.com/
> > .. tells me that:
> 
> Whats a DTD Matt?

Document Type Definition. Take a look at the source at
http://www.neko.u-net.com and note the first line - THAT is a DTD

> And where can I get a HTML validator from?

http://validator.w3.org

Just put in the URL, and it'll check it to HTML 4.0  y default, or whatever
DTD you specify (I use HTML 4.01 for mine)

> Whats the best web page creator available (I got webplug off 
> aminet but it looks a little tecqnical for me.)

The best? Notepad/GoldED/CygnusED and a big book on HTML design.

GUI based web creators are a bit lame in my experience, they never
ever generate the tight code needed to produce a decent webpage.

That said, NetObjects' Fusion for the PC isn't bad.

> Oh, and how come the counter doent work in Netscape when it 
> works on my Miggy? -have to look into that one.

Netscape sucks :)

--
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

Hi Alan, 

> > in videos early days, making machines that could playback tapes only,

> err, you can actually buy these -they're around 20-30 ukp cheaper than
> the recordable option.

Yeah, I know. My point here was, originally there was a suggestion
from certain (admittedly loopy) quarters that *all* videos should be
playback only. Yeah, I know, as if...!
 
> > the same manner. You ask for the serial number to that Cinema 4D
> > coverdisk you picked up in a job lot, and the person supplying it will
> > be lynched if caught out. Ask to borrow the video recording of last
> > nights pay per view movie on Sky Box Office and no one will bat an
> > eyelid.

> this is also mainly due to the fact that the program was broadcast.
> whereas the software is privately sold - with an end user agreement

And my point here being, the same programme would also be available to
buy on tape/DVD around the same time  i.e. sold privately with an end
user agreement (read the small print on the video sleeve, copying is
prohibited) But how do you enforce that law when it's perfectly legal
to tape the same thing off the Movie Channel (as many times as you
like ?)  

Actually, Cinema 4D can be used to good effect here. Think of the
version given away with the last issue of CUAmiga as the transmitted
version, the serial number as Macrovision, the fully packaged version
that HiSoft were selling (and which I sent off for) as the prerecorded
tape. Nobody ignored that request for a serial number that appeared on
here a few months back, did they ? The place went beserk with all
sorts of threats being made about *not* giving out the number (and too
right an' all). But it's the toleration of the same in the video
market that's causing all the headaches in the film industry atm.

Like I say, the problems of the industrys own making, so I don't
have much sympathy for them. Anyways, enough of this idle chit chat...
I'm off to see The Blair Witch Project (wish me luck !)

Cheers,

Eddie

Hi all,

> > I thought it had been decided, years ago, that "time shifting" (taping a
> > programme to watch later) wasn't copyright theft.

> yes..that was the purpose of them anyway. you just cant give your tapes
> to anyone else to view...or record

Perish the thought. Who'd do a thing like that ?  ;)

Cheers,

Eddie

Hello Alan

On 22-Oct-99, you wrote:

> 
> On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 necronlord@totalise.co.uk wrote:
> 
>> suggest some good ftp sites as well as web sites. I need a version that
>> will work with a 68EC020 1200 with 8mb of ram but no fpu or mmu.
> 
> no MMU = no Linux.
> 
> theres a version that runs withno FPU, but Linux *needs* the MMU

There's a project to produce a microcontroller version of the Linux kernel -
ucLinux (u as a substitute for Greek mu) or something. It runs of 68k
series and ColdFire processors, etc.

It's just the kernel, though. You would have to rebuild the rest of the
distro yourself, though, so it's not for the faint-hearted.

I posted a URL for the webpage to this list before as I recall. 

Cheers,
Rich

-- 
Richard Drummond
Staff Writer, Amiga Format

mailto: richard.drummond@futurenet.co.uk
pgp   : http://www.drummond.u-net.com/download/richards_key.asc
phone : +44 (0)1225 442244 ext 2417

> The best? Notepad/GoldED/CygnusED and a big book on HTML design.

Which book is the best (but easy to follow), while being cheapish and
where can I get if (if it isnt a commonly available one).

Bifford the Youngest.

Sealey, M. said, 

>> Has anyone ever had a recoverable alert attached
>> to EVERY damn keypress?

> list sys:wbstartup all >T:feckarsedrink 

How does he type that without pressing a key? :)


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - Connected via Wirenet
The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
http://www.wire.net.uk
-- 
Why do they sterilize the needles for lethal injections?

Hi Matt

On 22-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> if a review of a C compiler means  ' get some small CPU intensive loop
>> that doesnt really use the AmigaOS and test its size and 
>> speed' then i'd rather not even see the review
 
> I think Rich did Dhrystones, and 'Twister' which rotates a graphic
> around 360 degrees and displays it as fast as it can.
> 
> Pretty good tests overall, and Twister uses AmigaOS I think..

I did other tests, but the dhrystone one was the only one printed. As I have
said before, it was piece of code which would compile on all the systems
without too much fuss and was a cheap and easy test of optimization.

The bencharks were just one part of the article and benchmarks are always
suspect, anyway. 

There was limited space to do justice to any of the four system tested. 

Can we drop it now? ;)

Cheers,
Rich

-- 
Richard Drummond
Staff Writer, Amiga Format

mailto: richard.drummond@futurenet.co.uk
pgp   : http://www.drummond.u-net.com/download/richards_key.asc
phone : +44 (0)1225 442244 ext 2417

Hi James

> Hmm, you'll be putting OS3.5 on both of your machines then?
> Which leads me to the question - have you ordered two copies (one for each
> machine)? Otherwise, can you install one copy on as many machines as you
> like, or do you need (legally) to buy a seperate copy/licence for each
> machine?

Providing H&P are operating a standard UK single-user licence arrangement,
my use will be legal as long as I'm only using one machine at a time - which
would be the case in my situation as there is a good 35 miles between the
two machines :)

However, if anyone can clarify this - let's hear it!

Chris Green
Technical Editor - Computing
VNU Business Publications, 32-34 Broadwick Street, London, W1A 2HG
..................................................................
Fax: +44 (0)207 316 9160      Email: chris_green@vnu.co.uk
ICQ: 10921400                 URL:   http://computing.vnunet.com
..................................................................

> Told you I'd do it :) This is all theory. I can't be bothered resetting my
> machine to test if it works, but in theory, it should.
>
> In your startup sequence, after all the 'Assign ENV: Ram:ENV/' stuff, type
> this...
>
> Cd Sys:Desktop/
> List "" QUICK >>:.backdrop LFORMAT "%p%s" PAT=~(#?.info)
>
> You can change Sys:Desktop/ to any directory you like. Just put


Also, an Assign to the'desktop' directory in startup is useful, so that you
can load/save things there.

I am going to try and write a program that will do this continually, ie, put
a file there and it appears on the workbench. I'm going to learn C at the
same time, so it seems a nice simple project to begin with.  The next
project will be a world beating 3D F1 game.

> > The best? Notepad/GoldED/CygnusED and a big book on HTML design.
> 
> Which book is the best (but easy to follow), while being cheapish and
> where can I get if (if it isnt a commonly available one).

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764503324/qid=940592081/sr=1-12/02
6-4707081-8580008
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0789714906/o/qid=940592175/sr=2-3/0
26-4707081-8580008

Having never read either I can't really comment - I learnt HTML 4.0 from the
HTML specs at http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/PR-html40-19990824 but I don't think
that's gonna be very good for people who don't program..

(if you can program, then it's all a matter of syntax, otherwise it's a
matter
of learning how to program, or buying a lame GUI based tool - guess which
one
is cheaper :)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> Sealey, M. said, 
> 
> >> Has anyone ever had a recoverable alert attached
> >> to EVERY damn keypress?
> 
> > list sys:wbstartup all >T:feckarsedrink 
> 
> How does he type that without pressing a key? :)

OBVIOUSLY he's gonna have to boot with no startup-sequence
to do it. I honestly thought better of you, Neil Bothwick :)

(BTW If it DOES crash with no startup then it's a hardware
problem anyway, and I can't really help ATM :)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi Mike

> To anyone who's interested...
> I've had big problems with an order I placed by e-mail from Epic
> Marketing for the best of Gremlin CD.
> Unfortunately when it arrived the CD was scratched so bad it was
> unreadable. When I contacted Epic they decline to do anything about it
> until I posted it back (at my expense).
> Why ?
> Because they said that people would pretend that the product was
faulty
> in order to get another for free. I pointed out that I have spent
> several hundred dollars with them previously without a problem.
> Their reply ?
> None.
> They've ignored my last four e-mails probably because they know I'm in
> Australia and can't do anything about it.
> 
> Be careful who you spend your money with ............

On the contrary, they were very helpful when I bought the Speccy
emulator CD from them.  First one they sent to me came in the right
box, had the right CD and it read fine.  Only problem was, only one C64
emulator would work :-(
I phoned them and explained the problem, and they said they sent me the
free CD they were giving away with orders over =A320 at the time.  They
apologised, said I could keep that CD (awwwww) and sent me the correct
one which arrived within a few days :-)

All's well that ends well eh?

Alex - bored

Here is a reply I had from ukonline with regards the authentication problems

> I've had numerous occasions over the last week or so when I haven't been
able to
> log on to my ukonline connect because of PAP authentication failures.
These seem
> to be happening at random. It will fail, only to work perfectly 15 mins
later.
> Tonight I logged on at 18.15 with no problems only to fail an hour later
and up
> until 10pm I've had 8 failures. Other users are reporting the same
problems.

> 
> Thanks for your help
> 
> ___________________________________________________
> Phil Ellis Amiga 4000/040 PIV Magellan II ICQ 38892967
> For information on Cystic Fibrosis
> http://web.ukonline.co.uk/philllip.ellis/contents.htm
> ---------------------------------------------------
>

It does appear that we are having an Intermittent problem with our
Authentication Servers, however are engineers are working on this and
hopefully have the problem resolved very soon.

We apologise for any inconvinece that this may cause.

Regards
Nathan
-- 
  UK Online Technical Support
  support@ukonline.net

> > To anyone who's interested...
> > I've had big problems with an order I placed by e-mail from Epic
> > Marketing for the best of Gremlin CD.
> > Unfortunately when it arrived the CD was scratched so bad it was
> > unreadable. When I contacted Epic they decline to do anything about
it
> > until I posted it back (at my expense).
> > Why ?
> > Because they said that people would pretend that the product was
> faulty
> > in order to get another for free. I pointed out that I have spent
> > several hundred dollars with them previously without a problem.
> > Their reply ?
> > None.
> > They've ignored my last four e-mails probably because they know I'm
in
> > Australia and can't do anything about it.
> >
> > Be careful who you spend your money with ............
> 
> On the contrary, they were very helpful when I bought the Speccy
> emulator CD from them.  First one they sent to me came in the right
> box, had the right CD and it read fine.  Only problem was, only one
C64
> emulator would work :-(
> I phoned them and explained the problem, and they said they sent me
the
> free CD they were giving away with orders over =A320 at the time.  They
> apologised, said I could keep that CD (awwwww) and sent me the correct
> one which arrived within a few days :-)

Epic have always had a good customer service from my point of view.
It's just the quality of some of their latest CDs which I find suspect.

Paul